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Posted on 5/14/15 at 10:36 am to Dr RC
Posted on 5/14/15 at 10:47 am to Baloo
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There's definitely a villain problem, outside Loki. Though I would like to say that Hammer was an outstanding villain just because Sam Rockwell is outstanding, but he was trapped in possibly the worst Marvel film to date. he doesn't get enough credit for breathing life into that turd.
Loki, Stane, Hammer, Pierce and WS, have all been good films. Ultron, not underwhelming, just not enough.
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I actually liked the Ben Kingsley twist, but I'm not a fan of Mandarin in the comics, as I find him to be a relic of a time when casually racist characters were okay. And I like that it shows an ability to use the comics but also not treat them as holy texts. Change things as you need to. I thought the Manadarin switcheroo was the best thing about IM3, other than Tony being actively annoyed by the cute little kid. The problem with IM3 wasn't turning the Mandarin into a joke, but that the power behind the throne was uninteresting. Guy Ritchie was an offbrand Jebadiah Stone... and Tony already beat him. The Mandarin backlash shows, to me, how little flexibility comic fans have when the director moves out of fan service. So tread lightly or there will be backlash.
I actually didn't mind it at the time either. But Mandarin is a great villain, I think I had a bigger problem with them calling to Mandarin in 1, THEN doing that in 3.
However, stepping back, IM3 has grown on me a lot since my first viewing.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:02 am to Freauxzen
There's lots I like about IM3. I really enjoy the Tony Stark road trip aspect of it, and I like how it breaks him down to the inventor. And I'm not kidding, the interplay between him and the kid is great. He's just the right level of jerk to him. The whole film, overall, is a mess, and I think the AIM subplot fails to land, which is a shame as I'm a big fan of AIM. I also like that it deals with PTSD, which surely Tony would have. I think if edited right, there is a great movie in the combined final footage of IM2 and IM3. There's just a lot of crap on top that simply doesn't work.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:27 am to BilJ
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Basically comes down to little screen time so there's a lack of development and then they kill them off.
Yes - the problem is that modern film audience expectations are so extreme, they want the villain killed every time. Honestly, a more classic set up of a trilogy would be to follow the Star Wars pattern - have the main villain get away after Film 1 and Film 2 - maybe sacrifice a henchman or two along the way - then get it at the end of the third film.
Now - it seems as if that's how it's going for Avengers with Thanos being the overall bad guy, with Loki and Ultron being his pawns - but, if it were more overt, we would get more of Thanos throughout (although not too much, and lose the mystery).
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:32 am to Ace Midnight
at some point before they need to show what Thanos is capable of. Because right now he just seems like a lazy a-hole who sits in his chair and sucks at collecting these gems.
Posted on 5/14/15 at 11:54 am to BilJ
Like someone said earlier...the problem is that those villains are hardly a threat because none of the mains are going to be killed off. That's a problem, Marvel needs to take risks.
That's what got people to come to those movies in the first place. Ultron was never a threat and thats a problem not just in that movie, but in a lot of Marvel's movies. Might be their only problem besides shitty movie posters
That's what got people to come to those movies in the first place. Ultron was never a threat and thats a problem not just in that movie, but in a lot of Marvel's movies. Might be their only problem besides shitty movie posters
Posted on 5/14/15 at 12:24 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Like someone said earlier...the problem is that those villains are hardly a threat because none of the mains are going to be killed off. That's a problem, Marvel needs to take risks.
Now the reason is because no one knew what it is or where it was going, but outside of Obi, what major character died before RoTJ in Star Wars?
I just don't think this reason holds any water. Most large series have maybe a single important death. Obi. Sirius. Etc.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 12:46 pm to BilJ
i hope the abomination comes back
Posted on 5/14/15 at 12:53 pm to Africanus
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i hope the abomination comes back
that would be very cool
unfortunately I doubt it happens b/c w/the way movie press now works we'd have already been told it was happening.
these fricking sites damn near put up the entire plot months before shite even comes out now.
the only way to even avoid it is to pretty much stop using the internet b/c almost every site has given up on not giving away major spoilers.
the best you can hope for is a headline like "Inside *spoilers* surprise death and the cast's heartfelt reaction"
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 12:57 pm to WicKed WayZ
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.the problem is that those villains are hardly a threat because none of the mains are going to be killed off. That's a problem, Marvel needs to take risks.
Can you imagine the outrage if one of "the mains" had been killed off by any of the villains that we've been presented with so far?
What a terrible idea. You want real stakes? Write great stories. No one was killed off in Winter Soldier, but that film had a tremendous impact on the MCU and imparted a real sense of suspense followed by loss. If you have to kill one the heroes to create a real threat, then you need better writers.
This post was edited on 5/14/15 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 5/14/15 at 2:45 pm to Dr RC
I thought he's already been seen on set of Civil War?
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