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re: Dexter series finale
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:44 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posted on 9/23/13 at 2:44 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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This show died when Dexter's "Lizard Brain" died.
You know, I always thought this was when it jumped the shark. I would have to say the fact he had a "lizard brain" or "dark passenger" was pretty comical.
Then they just dropped both.
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 3:09 pm to lsunurse
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I wouldn't have minded it either. I didn't want Deb to die. Would rather Dexter die than her.
I know everyone loved to hate Deb but I was always rooting for her. Poor thing, looked like she was finally gonna have some happiness then bam.
I actually liked Deb as a character and yea, what a sad arse ending but the moment Deb killed Laguerta, you knew she had compromised her values for Dexter's sake; the beginning of the end for Deb. Deb had a choice not to kill either Laguerta or Dexter. Dexter made mistakes that himself in that position. Ironically Deb violated the code taught by her father by killing an innocent Laguerta. She should have taken Dexter into custody and let a jury of his peers decide is guilt or innocence. They could have ended the show right there or have the case thrown out of court due some technicality, etc. and continue to the next season. At that point it would have been plausible for Dexter and Hannah to possibly die together in the hurricane with no bodies found and for Deb to become a mother to Harrison with an allusion to his dark passenger.
There's a ton of ways they could have ended it but some events lead to consequences that can't be avoided. For instance, I could easily have seen Deb going insane and institutionalized in a mental hospital. But regardless of how they ended her, based on Deb's character, there's no way she could ever forgive herself for killing Laguerta.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 4:05 pm to davesdawgs
We all agree the series began to suck after year 4. You can see the difference in the writing emerge after Phillips left as Executive Producer. They milked the series with lame writing as long as they could. Then, when they had to end it, nobody got what they wanted because the corporate fricks at Showtime obviously made the lame arse writing staff write an ending that leaves an opening to a spinoff or something of the sort in the future.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 6:43 pm to Sho Nuff
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Sho Nuff
Yeah, I realized I was stepping on your toes after I signed up. I was just looking for a hog related spoof of something. Been meaning to change it, but I post pretty rarely so it's low on my priority list.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 7:40 pm to The Goat
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We all agree the series began to suck after year 4.
I really liked season 7 and enjoyed most of this last season. I realized about halfway through this season that they weren't going to finish it up properly, they just weren't setting it up well to make a good run at the end.
The shot of Dex as a lumberjack was just taking a dump on a shitty ending, but at least the ending was complete before the last shot of him.
Deb being dying was expected but why the hell did Dex take the body and dump it in the ocean? She died due to complications but he ran away with the body.
Early Dexter deserved better than this but I'm not sure seasons 5 and 6 Dex did.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 7:42 pm to Warfarer
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I really liked season 7
it was better than 5 and 6 but that's not saying much
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and enjoyed most of this last season
how?
Posted on 9/23/13 at 7:49 pm to beaver
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how?
I liked them delving into what forged Dexter into the man he is. Doctor Vogel was interesting for the first half of the season.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 8:06 pm to lsuwontonwrap
This whole writing blunder reminds me of back in the very beginning of the series when they made it seem like LaGuerta had a thing for Dexter, then it all of a sudden stopped and had no direction. I remember thinking wtf happened to that storyline? 
Posted on 9/23/13 at 8:41 pm to dualed
Haven't read the whole thread yet (but plan to). Holy shite! What a spectacular failure. That show will go in the history book of worst endings.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:14 pm to The Goat
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nobody got what they wanted because the corporate fricks at Showtime obviously made the lame arse writing staff write an ending that leaves an opening to a spinoff or something of the sort in the future.
Agree with this. Hannah after seeing the news story with no body found will definitely be wondering if Dexter is still alive. She would likely understand as well as anyone why he might fake his death and why he chose not to follow through on their plans together.
They could even start a new show with Hannah dealing with a young Harrison who has his own dark passenger. Yea, it's very much open ended. I just have a feeling that Michael C. Hall is ready to move on to something new. 7 years is a lot to devote to any one project in the prime of his career.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:52 pm to davesdawgs
Just got done watching... Holy crap. Feel like I just got punched in the stomach. It's sad that what was once my favorite show ended like that.
Posted on 9/23/13 at 11:42 pm to Tino
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Just got done watching... Holy crap. Feel like I just got punched in the stomach. It's sad that what was once my favorite show ended like that.
I agree the ending wasn't great but for me it doesn't take away from the fact that I had many years of enjoyment watching the show. It was an innovative series in its prime and had some great villains, action and character development.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:46 am to Shoat Nuff
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Yeah, I realized I was stepping on your toes after I signed up. I was just looking for a hog related spoof of something. Been meaning to change it, but I post pretty rarely so it's low on my priority list.
Haha, no worries
Posted on 9/24/13 at 2:57 am to Sho Nuff
My favorite ending would have been dexter reverting into a monster like his brother after deb died, but him becoming a lumberjack was obviously my second choice.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 7:07 am to Green Chili Tiger
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And there's the problem right there.
When the show started, Dexter was a sociopath who had mastered faking the emotions that everyday people displayed because it was necessary to maintain his cover.
He even faked being in love with Rita and married her to maintain that cover.
This show started falling apart when Dexter had a kid and started becoming "more human".
This show died when Dexter's "Lizard Brain" died.
Last night was a farce that I spent all season waiting for just so I could get it over with.
There's a lot to be said for this point of view. Despite the fact the show was so good and so ground breaking in that first season, one of the things they never seemed to get right (which may have been by design or may have simply been Michael C. Hall being charismatic) was just how hollow Dex was in that first book they based the series on. You got glimpses of it, like you mention...but he always seemed more confused by normal people rather than simply empty. Maybe because of that they started a track that clearly lead them to making Dex NOT what he started out...which brings up how I was hoping/thought they'd end it.
While I was not a huge fan of large swaths of the previous few seasons, I was invested enough to stay put. When they introduced Vogel this season and immediately told us that she was the architect for Dex's Code, they set up a great potential climax. If you remember, they had her specifically make mention of how his relationships weren't real because he was incapable of them...and then seemingly saw them as real as time went on. Rather than bringing in the whole idiotic son of hers, they story could have revolved around Vogel realizing that she (and Harry based an her call) had turned a troubled (but not sociopathic) kid into a serial killer. Dex had, as you suggested, seemed to come to this conclusion on his own in one way or another over the course of the past few seasons...they should have completed the circle. Now...they could have upped the ante and had Vogel do it because she was simply a psycho herself and was just running long time scale tests on these kids she treated pitting Dex against her and placing him in the position of having to kill her to keep her from testifying against him for all he had done despite the fact that he now knew he had no excuse for killing or allow the police to arrest her and let the chips fall. By going this route, you could have seen Deb's fall from moral grace as even sadder because she compromised herself for a lie. This track would have taken balls...it would have REALLY been dark, and would have seemed more real.
Instead, we get that abortion of an ending (I'm looking at you Dex as you unhook a cop from life support and no one notices as you wheel her dead body out of the hospital and carry her covered in a sheet onto your boat docked at the front door) and meandering, nonsensical finale season which wrapped up nothing and made so many countless plots trails they had introduced over time worthless for having paid them any mind at all.
Sure...Dexter is being hurt by the fact that it has had its final season juxtaposed to what may arguably go down as TV's greatest show with TV's greatest final season in Breaking Bad, but the way they ended it would be seen as a cop out and just plain bad anyway. For a series with so much promise and such a great lead, looking back, it's hard to say there was more good than bad when you take the the full view.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 7:16 am to GeauxTigerTM
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And there's the problem right there.
When the show started, Dexter was a sociopath who had mastered faking the emotions that everyday people displayed because it was necessary to maintain his cover.
He even faked being in love with Rita and married her to maintain that cover.
This show started falling apart when Dexter had a kid and started becoming "more human".
No doubt about it. The only real connection he ever felt was to Deb, and it wasn't "love" as we think of it. More of an obligation and one reliable connection.
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When they introduced Vogel this season and immediately told us that she was the architect for Dex's Code, they set up a great potential climax. If you remember, they had her specifically make mention of how his relationships weren't real because he was incapable of them...and then seemingly saw them as real as time went on. Rather than bringing in the whole idiotic son of hers, they story could have revolved around Vogel realizing that she (and Harry based an her call) had turned a troubled (but not sociopathic) kid into a serial killer.
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they could have upped the ante and had Vogel do it because she was simply a psycho herself and was just running long time scale tests on these kids she treated pitting Dex against her and placing him in the position of having to kill her to keep her from testifying against him
I thought that might be where they were going at the beginning of the season. It wouldn't have been great, but at least it would have maintained semblance of the original tone of the show. I never did buy Dexter becoming so attached to Vogel.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:09 am to VOR
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I thought that might be where they were going at the beginning of the season. It wouldn't have been great, but at least it would have maintained semblance of the original tone of the show. I never did buy Dexter becoming so attached to Vogel.
Right. I'm not saying that's where the show ought to have gone if you think back to where they started in season one...just that after painting themselves into a corner with 7 seasons of story it might have been one way to give at least the semblance of a satisfying ending.
I mean...who could have imagined the show many of us loved during and after season one would end like it did? He didn't die. He didn't get caught. He became a lumberjack, and that's ok.
Again, it's hard not to see this final season of Dexter without comparing it to Breaking Bad. Vince Giligan has stated many times that while he didn't know exactly what would happen, that he always knew it would be a relatively short run and because of that actions would always have consequences that would have pay offs. In a nut shell, that means that from the day Walt decided he was going to break bad, we were always heading down a road that was almost certainly going to end badly, ugly and with a lot of pain. To see Dexter essentially avoid all of that and even allow Deb to basically die after coming to terms with Dex and even Hannah just feels like such a waste of an opportunity to tell such a better story than what we eventually got.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 8:55 am to GeauxTigerTM
was i the only one bothered that there were absolutely no waves in the ocean when Dex steals Deb's body out of the hospital, but the trees on the shore in the background were being blown sideways by the wind.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 9:23 am to GeauxTigerTM
This was a four season show, max. The outlandish premise just couldn't be sustained very long, either logically or interest-wise, without having to get more and more bizarre. I'm not sure a satisfying ending was even possible unless it was the most bizarre thing yet.
Posted on 9/24/13 at 9:25 am to Displaced
I don't know why they were evacuating everybody. The mountains would've broken up that hurricane anyway.
This post was edited on 9/24/13 at 10:33 am
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