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re: GoT S8E6: The Iron Throne
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:53 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:53 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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There was no night's watch though. They don't go to castle black. They take him to the other fort, he opens the gate, and it is Tormund and all wildlings. You aren't assuming anything. They show you there are no Night's Watch.
Who were the two duded dressed in all black following him? I assumed they were of the nights watch and Jon just decided to go north instead of staying and being a with a pointless group of men.
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:53 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Its 20/20 for sure.
To us sure. That’s the point. Bran sees it all. He knew exactly where this was heading.
We, as an audience, actually see things as the 3ER at the end. The pieces were there.
Bran let millions die to “break the wheel” just like Dany.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 9:54 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:57 am to VinegarStrokes
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There seems to be a lot of discussion about Jon being banished to the north.
I think that the way they executed this was pretty poor and didn't make a lot of sense, but in my mind Jon was always meant to be back living with the wildlings. Throughout the entirety of the show, it seemed that he was "at home" north of the wall, and so I'm perfectly fine with him being back with the wildlings and his direwolf. But yeah, the way they actually got to that point was pretty dumb.
The way I interpreted the decision (and what helps me be at peace with Jon's ultimate fate), is that I am just going to be naive and assume that the other characters knew that there was no more Night's Watch and no need for them but that they all winked at each other when making this proposal to GW to get him and the Dothraki to shut the frick up and move on.
My issue with that is make it Jon's choice. I think he would have decided to go north over the throne, but we get all the way to the point of his destiny being on the precipice and just get an elected Bran. The only contribution Bran has made to the entire series is being the vehicle through which we find out Jon's parentage.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:58 am to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Yeah, is it a crime to kill a crazy ruler whose death is desired by those who replaced her? I feel bad for Grey Worm. He followed a person who proved to be a crazy megalomaniac, but he lost. Jon would be considered a hero who saved the realm.
Second biggest offense was Grey Worm deciding the fate of Jon. I mean who cares if he wants him gone. Grey Worm, really? Whotf cares about what this dude wants.
I don't get how Sam is a maester. Isn't he married to Gilly and don't they have a kid on the way? Did they say something about changing the maester rules and I didn't catch it?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:58 am to theunknownknight
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To us sure. That’s the point. Bran sees it all. He knew exactly where this was heading.
We, as an audience, actually see things as the 3ER at the end. The pieces were there.
Bran let millions die to “break the wheel” just like Dany.
N, I get your point, and what the show did. My gripe was this...
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sweet. like wtf Bran, really? doens't care for anything, but showed up for the throne. fricking what!
It was pretty obvious that was his plan all along
It was not obvious. At no point did you mention during any of these threads that it was obvious Bran was going to be the king. You're mentioning points that connect together after the fact not stuff you put together before.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 9:59 am to iwyLSUiwy
The ending I wanted, now that I've thought about it a bit:
1. Jon and Dany get into a verbal fight about what just happened at King's Landing. Jon says he cannot support a Queen that does that to innocent people. Dany calls him treasonous and Grey Worm enters the frame.
2. Grey Worm and Jon get into an epic 1-on-1 fight scene in front of the Iron Throne. Jon wins and kills Grey Worm.
3. Dany gets that mad queen look in her eyes and yells Dracarus to tell Drogon to burn Jon alive. Drogon refuses to burn Jon because he is a Targareon and recognizes him as a non-threat that has been on dragons.
4. Dany continues to scream Dracarus while Drogon is stoic and does not respond, then Jon stabs the unsuspecting Drogon in the throat with his Valerian steel.
5. Dany mourns Drogon intensely and her and Jon have a brief exchange about her children being dead, etc. then Dany swan dives off the red keep, committing suicide.
6. Jon, who just killed Grey Worm and Drogon, becomes a hero to the remaining people of King's Landing for avenging that massacre and killing the dragon that burned everyone.
7. He becomes the king known as the Dragon Slayer (has that been taken?)
8. Bran becomes his hand, to guide him in the right direction for decades to come.
9. The rest of the show plays out how it did, but Jon, as King, asks for support at the meeting of Lords of the houses/kingdoms. Only Sansa requests independence, which he grants.
10. He has Tyrion as his Master of Coin, Brienne as something, and maybe a few other spots I can't think of.
11. Names Tormund King of the land north of the wall. Call it whatever.
12. Last scene is Jon, wearing the crown, approaching the throne with Ghost and he sits down, and looks up...and fade to black.
1. Jon and Dany get into a verbal fight about what just happened at King's Landing. Jon says he cannot support a Queen that does that to innocent people. Dany calls him treasonous and Grey Worm enters the frame.
2. Grey Worm and Jon get into an epic 1-on-1 fight scene in front of the Iron Throne. Jon wins and kills Grey Worm.
3. Dany gets that mad queen look in her eyes and yells Dracarus to tell Drogon to burn Jon alive. Drogon refuses to burn Jon because he is a Targareon and recognizes him as a non-threat that has been on dragons.
4. Dany continues to scream Dracarus while Drogon is stoic and does not respond, then Jon stabs the unsuspecting Drogon in the throat with his Valerian steel.
5. Dany mourns Drogon intensely and her and Jon have a brief exchange about her children being dead, etc. then Dany swan dives off the red keep, committing suicide.
6. Jon, who just killed Grey Worm and Drogon, becomes a hero to the remaining people of King's Landing for avenging that massacre and killing the dragon that burned everyone.
7. He becomes the king known as the Dragon Slayer (has that been taken?)
8. Bran becomes his hand, to guide him in the right direction for decades to come.
9. The rest of the show plays out how it did, but Jon, as King, asks for support at the meeting of Lords of the houses/kingdoms. Only Sansa requests independence, which he grants.
10. He has Tyrion as his Master of Coin, Brienne as something, and maybe a few other spots I can't think of.
11. Names Tormund King of the land north of the wall. Call it whatever.
12. Last scene is Jon, wearing the crown, approaching the throne with Ghost and he sits down, and looks up...and fade to black.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:01 am to iwyLSUiwy
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It was not obvious. At no point did you mention during any of these threads that it was obvious Bran was going to be the king. You're mentioning points that connect together after the fact not stuff you put together before.
To be fair. I COULDN’T theorize about it because some chode spoiled the show for me a while back and I didn’t want to post my “theories” as spoilers.
I think many people theorized Bran was actually evil. Those were all over the threads before the Long Night
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:06 am to blueboy
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eah, is it a crime to kill a crazy ruler whose death is desired by those who replaced her? I feel bad for Grey Worm. He followed a person who proved to be a crazy megalomaniac, but he lost. Jon would be considered a hero who saved the realm.
Yea I dont know why they had to appease Grey Worm. He accepted who the new king was. Bran could have just easily said "sorry bud, im not banishing him."
Tyrion, who is now hand of the king, is fine with hime being banished too. I guess he forgot that HE WAS THE ONE WHO TOLD HIM TO KILL DANY. I mean wtf.
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I don't get how Sam is a maester. Isn't he married to Gilly and don't they have a kid on the way? Did they say something about changing the maester rules and I didn't catch it?
I figured that was just fan service. Everybody loves Sam and knows he would make a great maester so they just made him one.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:17 am to TheCaterpillar
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1. Jon and Dany get into a verbal fight about what just happened at King's Landing. Jon says he cannot support a Queen that does that to innocent people. Dany calls him treasonous and Grey Worm enters the frame.
2. Grey Worm and Jon get into an epic 1-on-1 fight scene in front of the Iron Throne. Jon wins and kills Grey Worm.
Im good with this.
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3. Dany gets that mad queen look in her eyes and yells Dracarus to tell Drogon to burn Jon alive. Drogon refuses to burn Jon because he is a Targareon and recognizes him as a non-threat that has been on dragons.
4. Dany continues to scream Dracarus while Drogon is stoic and does not respond, then Jon stabs the unsuspecting Drogon in the throat with his Valerian steel.
5. Dany mourns Drogon intensely and her and Jon have a brief exchange about her children being dead, etc. then Dany swan dives off the red keep, committing suicide.
Eh you lost me there. Thats a bit much. Im kind of of the belief that Targaryen or not, a dragon can burn your as up.
What I would have loved to happen at the end, just adding to what they did...
As Jon is walking off into the North, have Drogon come down beside him and you realize that Drogon is going to be with Jon now and Jon be able to ride him. They even set it up with Bran going "i'll try and find him."
I thought that would have made a lame ending kind of bad arse. At least with Jons story.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:32 am to monkeybutt
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I've seen this talked about a few times, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't snow in the aftermath of the KL burning, it was raining ash. Thought they were going for a volcanic ash sort of thing.
I thought it was snow, but ok let’s just say it’s ash...
What happened to Jamie riding out in season 7 as snow started to fall? Winter was officially coming.
But nope, that was just for dramatic effect like everything else they’ve done. Zero consistency.
“While the seasons kind of forgot to change”
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:33 am to monkeybutt
I still can’t get over how bad the two council meetings that ended the show were.
Cheesy and nonsensical.
Cheesy and nonsensical.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:34 am to monkeybutt
It really looked like snow when Jon was walking and Drogon rose up from underneath.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:35 am to Salamander_Wilson
“Yara and Dorne-“we aren’t with you!!!!”
“Bran knows stories”
“Ok we are with you”
Sa
“Bran knows stories”
“Ok we are with you”
Sa
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:35 am to Salamander_Wilson
I’m glad bran warged into those crows for no reason and so now he’s king. What a lazy POS season
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:37 am to Adam Banks
Greyjoy’s and Dornish fought bloody wars against the crown to be independent but now when the North declares itself, they don’t say anything?
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:43 am to Gabriel Susan Lewis
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I’m glad bran warged into those crows for no reason and so now he’s king. What a lazy POS season
Bran the Broken's first council meeting.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:45 am to Salamander_Wilson
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I still can’t get over how bad the two council meetings that ended the show were.
not exactly helping out the "its a political show anyway!" crowd
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:46 am to Salamander_Wilson
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I still can’t get over how bad the two council meetings that ended the show were.
It was like a parody. The part where they all laugh at Sam was sooooo bad.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:51 am to Funky Tide 8
I hate how they brushed that over. They just casually decided to make a radical change that challenges the whole idea of feudalism that they depend on. That scene could’ve definitely benefited from more development.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 10:55 am to 1BamaRTR
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It really looked like snow when Jon was walking and Drogon rose up from underneath
I thought this as well but still believed it was ash. But then when he laid danny down it was definitely snow.
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