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re: LOST "What Kate Does" S6. E3.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:41 am to Lsut81
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:41 am to Lsut81
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He knew he had the darkness and wanted the Others to kill him
A few of observations.
1) Sayid is wearing black. I'm sure that symbolizes that he has the darkness and has had the darkness for sometime.
2) Hurley is wearing red. I think he's going to die soon. That ties in with the theory that Hurley is expendable, why Jacob contacted him after the O6 came back.
3) Did anybody notice after Sayid awoke from the dead and he was talking to Jack, he blinked his eyes (when he realized something) and the entire screen flashed white?
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 10:44 am
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Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:48 am to SouGent
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shouldn't we refer to the people in the Temple as "The Other Others"??
only they're not..the one guy said he was the guard that kate punched out on the other island so these are the same others that were with ben.
eta if that were the case you'd have to say the dude in the radio-shack was an 'other other' and the women in the looking glass were 'other others'. just because these dudes are inside the temple doesn't mean they're not the same group.
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:49 am to lsumatt
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4) Sayid's condition isn't irreversible.
nothing is irreversible.
Signed,
Jack.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:52 am to noonan
I dont want Hurley to die... he brings the comic relief to the show... i love his and miles' interactions.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:57 am to The Eric
I doubt they'd kill Hurly off with 14 episodes left, but I can totally see him dying towards the end.
The newest thing to peak my interest is the actual function of The Others. For five seasons, we've only really gotten bit and pieces as to their function - namely to protect the island. Last night solidifed the idea that certain people are "brought" to the island. It seems like the six touched by Jacob are "candidates" of some sort with everyone else being a type of collateral used to get them to the point they need to be.
It's also starting to appear that the failure to push the button at the end of Season Two threw a major wrench into the island's plans.
The newest thing to peak my interest is the actual function of The Others. For five seasons, we've only really gotten bit and pieces as to their function - namely to protect the island. Last night solidifed the idea that certain people are "brought" to the island. It seems like the six touched by Jacob are "candidates" of some sort with everyone else being a type of collateral used to get them to the point they need to be.
It's also starting to appear that the failure to push the button at the end of Season Two threw a major wrench into the island's plans.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 10:59 am to lsumatt
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So all this begs the question, "Why did Jacob insist that Sayid be taken to the temple?"
1) He expected the water to be clean, and Sayid to be healed.
2)He knew he had the darkness and wanted the Others to kill him
3) It wasn't Jacob at all (maybe MIB) and Hurley was tricked
4) Sayid's condition isn't irreversible.
another possibility.
notice how they asked jack if he wanted them to put him in the water/save him/whatever.
who's to say..in the same way jack had to give sayed the pill..that they needed jack's permission to kill/drown sayid? maybe they were planning to drown him all along and whether the water was brown/clear/whatever was a red herring?
how do we evern know ben went into those waters when they saved him? did anyone say anything about waters being used to save ben before?
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 11:01 am
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:02 am to CAD703X
I think they are setting Jack up to become the eventual leader of the The Others.
I'm interested to see where Dorgan fits in the chain of command. Is he above or below Ben (when Ben was the apparent leader)?
I'm interested to see where Dorgan fits in the chain of command. Is he above or below Ben (when Ben was the apparent leader)?
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:10 am to CAD703X
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how do we evern know ben went into those waters when they saved him? did anyone say anything about waters being used to save ben before?
i was wondering that too. the only confirmation i have is that in the enhanced episode they said that we didn't know how they healed ben til now.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:11 am to Antonio Moss
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It's also starting to appear that the failure to push the button at the end of Season Two threw a major wrench into the island's plans.
I'm thinking that the failure to push the button was part of MIB's plan
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:12 am to Antonio Moss
I too am interested in Dorgan's position in the heirarchy that is the others
I would assume it shapes out something like this
Jacob<Ben,Richard,Dorgan<everyone else
I have always viewed ben as an equal to richard even though it seems that richard answers to ben.
Dorgan seems to be the leader of the temple while richard seems to be the advisor to the leader of the others whom are outside the temple.
Dorgan oversees the protection of the others in the temple, while ben oversees the others who are wandering outside the temple doing the bidding of whoever the hell they work for (jacob/MIB/Donald Trump/George Steinbrenner.
I would assume it shapes out something like this
Jacob<Ben,Richard,Dorgan<everyone else
I have always viewed ben as an equal to richard even though it seems that richard answers to ben.
Dorgan seems to be the leader of the temple while richard seems to be the advisor to the leader of the others whom are outside the temple.
Dorgan oversees the protection of the others in the temple, while ben oversees the others who are wandering outside the temple doing the bidding of whoever the hell they work for (jacob/MIB/Donald Trump/George Steinbrenner.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:16 am to Antonio Moss
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I'm interested to see where Dorgan fits in the chain of command. Is he above or below Ben (when Ben was the apparent leader)?
Above Ben is what I would say... Hell, Id even say above Richard. Dorgan has obviously met Jacob bc he asked "When is Jacob coming"
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:21 am to Decatur
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I'm thinking that the failure to push the button was part of MIB's plan
It definitely has the Locke/MIB dynamic. Locke found the hatch and Locke was the one that refused to push the button. This refusal caused the power release leaving the island traceable to the outside world and eventually allowing the O6 to get off the island.
Wild theory, but maybe The Others are simply tasked with keeping MIB on the island and not letting him escape. A "keep the devil in hell" scenerio.
The hatch exploding allowed Jack (who would eventually become the leader of the others) to get off the island.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:24 am to Lsut81
Does anyone at this point not think that Dorgan was an original passenger on the Black Rock?
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:26 am to Antonio Moss
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It definitely has the Locke/MIB dynamic
i agree..the early episode where the first words out of locke's mouth were talking about black v white and the chess and backgammon. MIB was apparently able to fix locke's legs which was all the motivation needed to get him on his side/manipulate his moves. (although locke didnt realize it)
did jacob do anything to save/heal locke after his plunge from the building? i know he touched him..but did that have anything to do with him being paralyzed or possibly keep him from dying altogether?
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:38 am to Antonio Moss
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Does anyone at this point not think that Dorgan was an original passenger on the Black Rock?
That flashed in my mind originally but seems odd that he and Richard would be on the same ship. You would think all of the slaves would be of the same ethnic background, of course, unless Dorgan was the capt
But he said he was brought here just like Jack, so he has a higher sense of knowledge than Ben does.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:45 am to Lsut81
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unless Dorgan was the capt
The Black Rock set sail from England I believe so I doubt that.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:47 am to CAD703X
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did jacob do anything to save/heal locke after his plunge from the building? i know he touched him..but did that have anything to do with him being paralyzed or possibly keep him from dying altogether?
It appeared that he brought him back to life (the episode that initially showed Locke's paralysis had several people mentioning that it was a "miracle" that Locke was alived.)
So here is my overarching theory:
MIB is some type of demonic force trapt on the island. He is of the opinion that humans are inherently evil when given free will.
Jacob is his counter who believes that humans are inherently good when given free choice.
The two are equals and, thus, cannot kill or control one another.
In order to prevent MIB from creating an Armegedeon-type scenerio on Earth, Jacob convinces him to a "game." The game requires that MIB remain trapt on the island until a human, by his own free will, releases him. Jacob is allowed to select certain humans to come to the island and act as the gatekeepers (The Others) of MIB's prison.
Both can Jacob and MIB can take certain actions to encourage the humans to act, but neither can decide for them. The humans have free will. Jacob to Ben - "you always have a choice."
If, and when, MIB gets off the island, he destroys the world and the game "resets."
So far, MIB has gotten off the island every time. Jacob - "There is only one ending, everything else is progress."
The beginning of this round of the game started with the Black Rock (and Dorgan and Richard) being "brought" to the island. Widmore and Eloise were also "brought" to the island. Jacob revealed the island to the Dharma Inititave in order to bring certain members (i.e. Ben) to the island. Flight 815 was the latest vessel to be brought to the island for Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Locke, Sun, and Gin.
Every single character is being manipulated by either Jacob or MIB to act. Jacob is trying to get the humans to protect the island and keep MIB trapt. MIB is trying to get them to help him escape (which I believe can only happen through the temple).
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:59 am to Lsut81
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But he said he was brought here just like Jack, so he has a higher sense of knowledge than Ben does.
Ben didn't even know about MIB until after he killed Jacob.
On another note, I was kind of surprised that I didn't realize that Jack did not know who Jacob was prior to Hurley mentioning his name in LA X.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:02 pm to Decatur
I don't think anyone knew about MIB (other than Ben now), except for Jacob's people on the Ajara flight.
The only 815 passengers who knew about Jacob were Locke and Claire.
The only 815 passengers who knew about Jacob were Locke and Claire.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:10 pm to Antonio Moss
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The only 815 passengers who knew about Jacob were Locke and Claire.
I thought Hurley at least knew his name.
I don't know about Claire. I'm thinking she went off with MIB (in the form of Christian) and was "claimed".
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 12:11 pm
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