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Posted on 5/17/09 at 2:02 pm to LSUtigahs28
The prison idea is even worse. If Nero was in prison, then how exactly did he get his ship back. And if the Klingons had the ship for 25 years they would have taken it apart to reverse engineer the technology.
The prison idea which was not mentioned at all in the movie so it didn't happen is still a terrible idea. Nero would have been imprison and his ship would have been taken to some secret far off lab to be studied and reverse engineered.
The prison idea is even worse than sitting in space for 25 years.
And as the above poster mentioned. In the movie, Spock actually says that Nero waited for him for 25 years.
The prison idea which was not mentioned at all in the movie so it didn't happen is still a terrible idea. Nero would have been imprison and his ship would have been taken to some secret far off lab to be studied and reverse engineered.
The prison idea is even worse than sitting in space for 25 years.
And as the above poster mentioned. In the movie, Spock actually says that Nero waited for him for 25 years.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 5:12 pm to TigerMyth36
I though it was really good. I'm definitely not a trekkie, but I've seen the first, second, fourth and sixth movies and I thought all of those had much, much bigger plot holes than this one.
I also don't understand why people are upset over Nero's motives. He wanted Spock to know his "pain" because Spock had told the Romulen's that he could save them and he didn't. A bad guy being angry because the good guy failed to save a loved one isn't exactly a new idea.
I also don't understand why people are upset over Nero's motives. He wanted Spock to know his "pain" because Spock had told the Romulen's that he could save them and he didn't. A bad guy being angry because the good guy failed to save a loved one isn't exactly a new idea.
Posted on 5/17/09 at 5:27 pm to Antonio Moss
He still had no motive to destroy every federation planet.
And it is not as if Spock caused the Nova.
And I disagree. Other than the last Trek film, no other suffers nearly as bad from plot holes as this one.
There simply should be no movie. Nero once he realizes he is back in time simply needs to go to Romulus and tell them of the doom to come in over 100 years. They have 100+ years to prepare. They also have technology that can be used to wipe out the Federation and Klingons. He actually could have become the Ruler of Romulus and the Galaxy. Instead he chose to sit by an anomaly not even knowing if Spock would ever come out.
And it is not as if Spock caused the Nova.
And I disagree. Other than the last Trek film, no other suffers nearly as bad from plot holes as this one.
There simply should be no movie. Nero once he realizes he is back in time simply needs to go to Romulus and tell them of the doom to come in over 100 years. They have 100+ years to prepare. They also have technology that can be used to wipe out the Federation and Klingons. He actually could have become the Ruler of Romulus and the Galaxy. Instead he chose to sit by an anomaly not even knowing if Spock would ever come out.
Posted on 5/25/09 at 11:12 pm to TigerMyth36
Just a question....
The black hole sucks up the entire Nova Sun, then Spock, then Nero..... If the Black Hole was just a portal to a different time, why didn't the energy from the Nova appear in the past? If the Black hole absorbs all energy, Why weren't the ships drained?
By the way all spock did was toss a little canister at the massive Nova Sun. Why did Nero feel the urge to use the drill? I mean, the drill sure looks cool, but Nero had no idea a movie was being filmed.
Whoops just found another nice flaw. On Vulcan they could not communicate or transport due to the drill. That of course set up the sky dive scene so they had to have some reason for the sky dive instead of just transporting.
Yet at the end, as the drill is mucking up Earth, they are able to transport when the drill is active.
The black hole sucks up the entire Nova Sun, then Spock, then Nero..... If the Black Hole was just a portal to a different time, why didn't the energy from the Nova appear in the past? If the Black hole absorbs all energy, Why weren't the ships drained?
By the way all spock did was toss a little canister at the massive Nova Sun. Why did Nero feel the urge to use the drill? I mean, the drill sure looks cool, but Nero had no idea a movie was being filmed.
Whoops just found another nice flaw. On Vulcan they could not communicate or transport due to the drill. That of course set up the sky dive scene so they had to have some reason for the sky dive instead of just transporting.
Yet at the end, as the drill is mucking up Earth, they are able to transport when the drill is active.
This post was edited on 5/25/09 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 5/26/09 at 12:40 am to TigerMyth36
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Yet at the end, as the drill is mucking up Earth, they are able to transport when the drill is active.
Wait, what?
When did this happen?
The main illogical part about the earth drill to me was that it was occuring in the fricking bay rather than on land opening a hole for the probe
Posted on 5/26/09 at 12:52 am to TigerMyth36
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Whoops just found another nice flaw. On Vulcan they could not communicate or transport due to the drill. That of course set up the sky dive scene so they had to have some reason for the sky dive instead of just transporting.
Yet at the end, as the drill is mucking up Earth, they are able to transport when the drill is active.
They have the new guy doing the transporting later in the movie. Is it the signal or something else that was getting fricked up by the drill? The new guy understood more about the transporting.
Posted on 5/26/09 at 1:18 am to lsutiger2486
Nope. Spock said when they entered Vulcan's orbit that all communications and transporters were useless due to the interference from the drill. I understand they needed an excuse for the Sky Dive scene, but then they just forgot about that interference later on Earth.
When Nero attacked Earth with the drill nobody mentioned said interference.
It had nothing to due with Scotty being better with transporters. Heck, that would have been fine. They should have had Scotty say something about reconfiguring the Johnson Rod to boost the signal to break through the interference. They did not.
When they discussed the plan, they just seemed to have forgotten all about the interference.
When Nero attacked Earth with the drill nobody mentioned said interference.
It had nothing to due with Scotty being better with transporters. Heck, that would have been fine. They should have had Scotty say something about reconfiguring the Johnson Rod to boost the signal to break through the interference. They did not.
When they discussed the plan, they just seemed to have forgotten all about the interference.
This post was edited on 5/26/09 at 1:19 am
Posted on 5/26/09 at 1:34 am to TigerMyth36
Don't they have people on staff that their whole job is continuity. You would think they would catch this shite.
Posted on 5/26/09 at 1:41 am to lsutiger2486
Look I liked this movie a lot. People that didn't like it could nitpick this one to death.
Some have said that all of the Trek movies had as many gaffes but that is not true. This one really is the king of gaffes. And it is not even close.
I do hope the next Trek has a much better script. I won't be as forgiving with the next one. I was just so happy to get Trek back, I would have enjoyed just about anything.
Some have said that all of the Trek movies had as many gaffes but that is not true. This one really is the king of gaffes. And it is not even close.
I do hope the next Trek has a much better script. I won't be as forgiving with the next one. I was just so happy to get Trek back, I would have enjoyed just about anything.
Posted on 5/26/09 at 9:16 am to TigerMyth36
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When Nero attacked Earth with the drill nobody mentioned said interference.
Yes they did...not directly but it was meantioned.
The beam turns on and then you see Uhura running to be bridge asking if they got them back, and Sulu replies no, they are on their own now.
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He still had no motive to destroy every federation planet.
I still say that the motive is there...or at least not as random as Nemesis. He said that his goals were not only to save Romulous, but to alter history so that it is even more powerful than it was in his timeline. And he does this by destroying one of the main entities hampering its expansion.
This post was edited on 5/26/09 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/28/09 at 12:51 pm to Volvagia
Saw this movie over the holiday weekend and it's a giant, steaming bag of AWESOME!
I did have the question about "why the hell didn't Nero go back to Romulus and warn them" as well, but was willing to let it go due to the kick-assedness of the rest of the movie. The effects, the acting, and the ingenious way they have re-invented the whole Star Trek mythology without having to create continuity issues for the main characters was great.
The only bad thing about my excursion to the theater was the fat guy sitting next to me that reeked of onions, but that's hardly the movie's fault. This is one of the few movies I would pay full price to see again.
I did have the question about "why the hell didn't Nero go back to Romulus and warn them" as well, but was willing to let it go due to the kick-assedness of the rest of the movie. The effects, the acting, and the ingenious way they have re-invented the whole Star Trek mythology without having to create continuity issues for the main characters was great.
The only bad thing about my excursion to the theater was the fat guy sitting next to me that reeked of onions, but that's hardly the movie's fault. This is one of the few movies I would pay full price to see again.
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