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re: Star Trek First Impressions (SPOILERS IN THREAD)
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:01 pm to TigerMyth36
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:01 pm to TigerMyth36
Vol
Patrick Stewart is to blame for Nemesis. In the original script the bad guy is actually a bastard son of Picard. He was captured along with his mother and made slaves. So his motivation was his mother died and he felt abandoned by the Piccard and the federation. Stewart did not like Piccard's name being sullied with a bastard child so they changed it from son to clone which then made no sense at all why the clone would hate Earth.
Patrick Stewart is to blame for Nemesis. In the original script the bad guy is actually a bastard son of Picard. He was captured along with his mother and made slaves. So his motivation was his mother died and he felt abandoned by the Piccard and the federation. Stewart did not like Piccard's name being sullied with a bastard child so they changed it from son to clone which then made no sense at all why the clone would hate Earth.
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Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:03 pm to TigerMyth36
You said, "The Picard", like the proto-Vulcans in that TNG episode...
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:03 pm to TigerMyth36
I agree he may have been mad. And if he was insane he would strike out at anyone and anything that survived the Nova. So he should have been more than happy to also destroy Klingon or any other planet. Just felt the motive was forced. I will read the comics to see how they further explained his rage.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:03 pm to TigerMyth36
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Nero said he blamed Spock for the destruction of Romulus which makes no sense because Spock had nothing to do with the Sun going nova.
This is like saying that absolutely no one is at fault for the aftermath of Katrina because Katrina was a natural event caused by no one FWIW.
Spock was too slow for whatever reason. He did not stop Romulus from being destroyed.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:09 pm to Volvagia
I don't see anyone running around killing the Army Corps of Engineers or meteorologists.
Look. Just a point. I don't see how you can argue the motive was at least stretched a tad to fit the storyline.
I liked the movie a lot.
It was the funniest Trek, but mainly from about a million and one inside jokes. I mean people were laughing when Quinto did the Spock eyebrow pop.
The effects were great. The score was good in some places but not something to be remembered.
Acting was on target.
And even with holes the plot was better than most Trek movies. We have to remember, this was an introduction film. The goal of the movie was to try and pull some new fans in and I think it will achieve that goal.
Look. Just a point. I don't see how you can argue the motive was at least stretched a tad to fit the storyline.
I liked the movie a lot.
It was the funniest Trek, but mainly from about a million and one inside jokes. I mean people were laughing when Quinto did the Spock eyebrow pop.
The effects were great. The score was good in some places but not something to be remembered.
Acting was on target.
And even with holes the plot was better than most Trek movies. We have to remember, this was an introduction film. The goal of the movie was to try and pull some new fans in and I think it will achieve that goal.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:11 pm to TigerMyth36
Exactly.
As I told some of my former colleagues in an email this morning:
Now THAT is how you rejuvenate a franchise and get a new fanbase!
As I told some of my former colleagues in an email this morning:
Now THAT is how you rejuvenate a franchise and get a new fanbase!
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:12 pm to Sophandros
Sure doesn't hurt to toss a half naked hot green chick into a movie and then strip down Uhura.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 1:34 pm to TigerMyth36
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Sure doesn't hurt to toss a half naked hot green chick into a movie and then strip down Uhura
+10
Posted on 5/8/09 at 4:08 pm to mobiletide
Thought it was a pretty good movie all in all, there wasn't the conflict to justify the tension. Kind of like the llahma guy said, I don't buy that Nero is that pissed at a guy trying to do good and failing. A rusty nail to hang the whole conflict on.
Also Kirk getting jettisoned to the same planet that Spock was hiding out on? Come on.
But certainly a better reboot than SW pulled off.
And another knock, Tyler Perry? Really?
Also Kirk getting jettisoned to the same planet that Spock was hiding out on? Come on.
But certainly a better reboot than SW pulled off.
And another knock, Tyler Perry? Really?
Posted on 5/8/09 at 4:13 pm to Volvagia
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SPOILERS
:banghead: I didn't read it and thanks for the warning, but now I have to stop reading the thread because I KNOW there are going to be people quoting you and discussing the movie.
I wish you would have started a discussion thread.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 4:45 pm to Volvagia
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So when did Romulan planet blow up? Spock was still alive so it couldn't have been that far in the future, and yet Nemesis involved their planet.
My biggest problem is that the Romulans were involved in the Dominion War, so if Nero kills off all of the Federation planets who does he think will help fight the Dominion?
Posted on 5/8/09 at 4:50 pm to mobiletide
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Wrath of Kahn still the king, but Trek 11 is second best now
Really? Better than 6 and 8? I really enjoyed this movie, there were just too many holes for me to put it as the best, or above those other two. The beginning was also really stupid, IMO. Dude was just casually talking about what to name his son and the wife isn't going fricking berserk? No way she stays that calm.
There were a few other things that just pissed me off at the beginning that keeps it from being better than First Contact.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 5:07 pm to Sports2
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Also Kirk getting jettisoned to the same planet that Spock was hiding out on? Come on.
That really wasn't coincidence....
Posted on 5/8/09 at 5:25 pm to The Easter Bunny
Yeah it did start with a sour taste in my mouth too.
Talk about a cliche, underacted opener.
Cameron needs to get back to trying to sleep with House.
Talk about a cliche, underacted opener.
Cameron needs to get back to trying to sleep with House.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 5:38 pm to Volvagia
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Also Kirk getting jettisoned to the same planet that Spock was hiding out on? Come on.
Yea, that planet was right next to Vulcan, thus why both ships marooned their unwanted passenger to that planet. (Specifically Spock was put there to watch what transpired.)
The biggest WTF? about that planet was Scotty being there and somehow unaware that something happened on Vulcan. Apparently Scotty had been enjoying his whiskey a little too much.
My Favorite parts of the movie:
Scotty, Pegg is awesome in everything he does and Scotty steals the show the limited time he is on the screen.
McCoy, Urban is the other guy that steals the screen. Amazing job to make that personality and accent even seem halfway believable.
ENGINE ROOMS, the steam pipe metal bulkhead engine rooms are awesome. A big step up in sets and environments from the old sterile engine rooms.
IMAX, great movie to watch in an IMAX theater. If you can get to one to watch it on, do it!
Posted on 5/8/09 at 6:23 pm to Volvagia
SPOILER ALERT
You're forgetting about Scotty's Trans Warp Beaming technology, which Old Spock puts them onto. In fact, that is the only "future" technology Old Spock brings. Ergo -- Kirk and Young Spock can beam to the Miner from Saturn.
I loved the movie. I'm an old trekkie nerd as well, but this movie will reinvigorate the franchise, and bring a whole new generation of fans.
That being said -- here are my observations that detract from the "Trek Bible."
Spock was betrothed to T'Pring at age 7. But in the new movie, he's fricking the dog shite out of Uhura, which I cannot blame him for. But what happened to the "arranged marriages" as children?
Where are the so called "protectors" of the time line -- the guys from the 29th Century that ascribe to the Temporal Prime Directive?
Why does Nero have such a hard on about exacting revenge for the future destruction of Romulus? Can't he just travel back into the future a few years before Romulus is destroyed and warn Spock that his plan won't work?
The Red Matter stuff seems way too dangerous that Star Fleet would allow Old Spock to go galivanting around without some security.
Way to many coincidences -- Kirk getting marooned on same planet as Old Spock -- and they just happen to run into Scotty. But this is the movies.
Even with all that, I give this movie an A. It was terrific.
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This is getting to my original point. From what they were saying, it seemed like their plan was to beat Nero to Saturn (which he was supposed to get near), hide, and beam Spock and Kirk aboard when he passed in warp.
But then they show Nero already at Earth.
But yeah that still doesn't explain porting Pike and Kirk out.
You're forgetting about Scotty's Trans Warp Beaming technology, which Old Spock puts them onto. In fact, that is the only "future" technology Old Spock brings. Ergo -- Kirk and Young Spock can beam to the Miner from Saturn.
I loved the movie. I'm an old trekkie nerd as well, but this movie will reinvigorate the franchise, and bring a whole new generation of fans.
That being said -- here are my observations that detract from the "Trek Bible."
Spock was betrothed to T'Pring at age 7. But in the new movie, he's fricking the dog shite out of Uhura, which I cannot blame him for. But what happened to the "arranged marriages" as children?
Where are the so called "protectors" of the time line -- the guys from the 29th Century that ascribe to the Temporal Prime Directive?
Why does Nero have such a hard on about exacting revenge for the future destruction of Romulus? Can't he just travel back into the future a few years before Romulus is destroyed and warn Spock that his plan won't work?
The Red Matter stuff seems way too dangerous that Star Fleet would allow Old Spock to go galivanting around without some security.
Way to many coincidences -- Kirk getting marooned on same planet as Old Spock -- and they just happen to run into Scotty. But this is the movies.
Even with all that, I give this movie an A. It was terrific.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 6:35 pm to CU-onda-BIU
Nero did not have control of a time travel device. He and Spock were pulled into a black hole.
But...... sure would have been easier, since he was in the past, to let Spock know he would need to stop the Nova sooner to save Romulus.
Or how about Nero himself and his crew go to Romulus and let the Romulans know about the future destruction of Romulus and how to stop it.
Yes , he still needed to capture Spock's ship from the future for the red matter, but once he had that, all he needed to do was go to Romulus to change the time line.
Also with the ship and the full Romulan fleet they could have conqured the federation.
Once again, this all ties back into my complaint that his motive to want to destroy the Federation was weak.
But...... sure would have been easier, since he was in the past, to let Spock know he would need to stop the Nova sooner to save Romulus.
Or how about Nero himself and his crew go to Romulus and let the Romulans know about the future destruction of Romulus and how to stop it.
Yes , he still needed to capture Spock's ship from the future for the red matter, but once he had that, all he needed to do was go to Romulus to change the time line.
Also with the ship and the full Romulan fleet they could have conqured the federation.
Once again, this all ties back into my complaint that his motive to want to destroy the Federation was weak.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:12 pm to CU-onda-BIU
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You're forgetting about Scotty's Trans Warp Beaming technology, which Old Spock puts them onto. In fact, that is the only "future" technology Old Spock brings. Ergo -- Kirk and Young Spock can beam to the Miner from Saturn.
Ah... I guess that is it.
I thought all they got was the ability to get back on the enterprise even though it was still in warp.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:14 pm to CU-onda-BIU
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Way to many coincidences -- Kirk getting marooned on same planet as Old Spock -- and they just happen to run into Scotty. But this is the movies.
*sigh*
The only coincidence was the fact that Scotty was on the same planet.
Kirk getting on the same planet as Spock and then meeting was NOT a coincidence.
Posted on 5/8/09 at 7:22 pm to Volvagia
Vol
Being on the same planet was not a coincidence, but being chased by a monster, falling down a hill and running into the exact same cave was a coincidence of epic proportions.
Scotty should have found Kirk. He could have been out hunting for meat. And he could bring Kirk back to the base where Spock had also gone after being left on the planet. Or Scotty could have found both of them at different times because the base computer picked up life signs.
Being on the same planet was not a coincidence, but being chased by a monster, falling down a hill and running into the exact same cave was a coincidence of epic proportions.
Scotty should have found Kirk. He could have been out hunting for meat. And he could bring Kirk back to the base where Spock had also gone after being left on the planet. Or Scotty could have found both of them at different times because the base computer picked up life signs.
This post was edited on 5/8/09 at 7:28 pm
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