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Tales from the Whedonverse
Posted on 8/3/24 at 6:45 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 6:45 am
Wasn't too long ago that Joss Whedon was the king of Hollywood. Buffy, Angel, Firefly, The Cabin in the Woods, were all on his resume', then he made what many consider to be the best Marvel film The Avengers.
That's the short version.
Then he was signed up to help finish The Justice League after Zack Snyder had to dip out in post-production over the loss of his daughter.
The finished product didn't wow too many fans.
Since then, Joss has effectively been banished from Hollywood. Why? Because of one bad movie? Nope. He basically got Me Too'd, for doing pretty much what everyone in Hollywood does to each other. Take advantage of young actors and be an a-hole to everyone around him he considered unworthy.
Yes, it seems while married, he did dip his pen in the company inkwell and cozy up to some needy young actresses. Shocker, I know.
A group of really angry women came out 20 yrs later and let the world know that they were really angry older women now. What Joss did was unforgivable!!
And what was that, exactly? They wouldn't say. Oh, they threatened to tell all, but all we got was gossip and hurt feelings. Nothing so heinous as Harvey Weinstein level stuff.
And yet Joss has about as much chance of getting work on anything of worth as Harvey.
But here's the kicker - not everyone shares the same opinion on Joss's on-set demeanor. Yes, he was demanding and crass, but he also got really good results. No one he works with will deny that. Seems pretty clear that Joss prefers serious and talented actors. As well as smokin fine young ladies. Fair enough. But if you happen to be in the prior group, he wasn't such a dick to you. If you were just a pretty face who Joss thought couldn't act (Charisma Carpenter) you get treated like dirt. Because yes, Joss is an elitist prick who viewed himself better than most of those around him. Again, not anything so unusual in Hollywood.
Why James Gunn was fired and then brought back into the fold of Hollywood, but Joss Whedon wasn't is sorta a mystery. Maybe Joss just ticked off too many of the wrong people? I'm guessing that the details of what really happened can be found on Reddit or somesuch, but as far as I know, nothing official has been released. Joss is just a mean, bad guy.
One who is also extremely talented at what he does. Or did.
And that sort of talent is exactly what Hollywood doesn't have much of these days.
That's the short version.
Then he was signed up to help finish The Justice League after Zack Snyder had to dip out in post-production over the loss of his daughter.
The finished product didn't wow too many fans.
Since then, Joss has effectively been banished from Hollywood. Why? Because of one bad movie? Nope. He basically got Me Too'd, for doing pretty much what everyone in Hollywood does to each other. Take advantage of young actors and be an a-hole to everyone around him he considered unworthy.
Yes, it seems while married, he did dip his pen in the company inkwell and cozy up to some needy young actresses. Shocker, I know.
A group of really angry women came out 20 yrs later and let the world know that they were really angry older women now. What Joss did was unforgivable!!
And what was that, exactly? They wouldn't say. Oh, they threatened to tell all, but all we got was gossip and hurt feelings. Nothing so heinous as Harvey Weinstein level stuff.
And yet Joss has about as much chance of getting work on anything of worth as Harvey.
But here's the kicker - not everyone shares the same opinion on Joss's on-set demeanor. Yes, he was demanding and crass, but he also got really good results. No one he works with will deny that. Seems pretty clear that Joss prefers serious and talented actors. As well as smokin fine young ladies. Fair enough. But if you happen to be in the prior group, he wasn't such a dick to you. If you were just a pretty face who Joss thought couldn't act (Charisma Carpenter) you get treated like dirt. Because yes, Joss is an elitist prick who viewed himself better than most of those around him. Again, not anything so unusual in Hollywood.
Why James Gunn was fired and then brought back into the fold of Hollywood, but Joss Whedon wasn't is sorta a mystery. Maybe Joss just ticked off too many of the wrong people? I'm guessing that the details of what really happened can be found on Reddit or somesuch, but as far as I know, nothing official has been released. Joss is just a mean, bad guy.
One who is also extremely talented at what he does. Or did.
And that sort of talent is exactly what Hollywood doesn't have much of these days.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 6:51 am
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:31 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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And what was that, exactly? They wouldn't say. Oh, they threatened to tell all, but all we got was gossip and hurt feelings. Nothing so heinous as Harvey Weinstein level stuff.
Maybe I’m cynical, but I don’t really have a problem with people using their fame to persuade adults into sleeping with them. As long as it is all consensual and nobody is being raped/forced, then both sides know what the stakes are and agree to them.
The women (and men) who frick or blow some Hollywood big wig to become famous know exactly what they are getting into and make that decision themselves. I have very little empathy for that. If you make the decision to sell your soul (or morals) for fame then that’s on you IMO.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:50 am to CocomoLSU
I think Whedon is a narcissistic, progressive a-hole; but, I kinda agree. These women are all "strong! fierce! independent!" up until the sexual quid pro quo they entered into expires because they are no longer a fresh young face. Then, years later they were all weak and powerless.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:50 am to SouthEasternKaiju
You left out that he was seen as a “champion of women” before his fans found out he was a serial philanderer and mistreated his actresses. That’ll upgrade your #metoo sins from venial to mortal.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:52 am to CocomoLSU
While I won’t defend Joss and his antics in the workplace, it’s pretty evident that he did not universally treat everyone the same.
It’s interesting to see who did not come out against him happen to also appear in many of his post Buffy and Angel projects.
And coincidentally, many of them found work in things not related directly to Joss. That is to say they were able to take their talent elsewhere.
It’s interesting to see who did not come out against him happen to also appear in many of his post Buffy and Angel projects.
And coincidentally, many of them found work in things not related directly to Joss. That is to say they were able to take their talent elsewhere.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:00 am to Fewer Kilometers
Faux male feminists almost always are doing it for brownie points.
It’s funny, they say the ones who were the most vocally anti-gay ended up being closeted gays themselves. Well, I guess the shoe fits on the other foot and that the ones who speak out the most on women’s rights & equity are actually just trying to get into their panties/ pants.
It’s funny, they say the ones who were the most vocally anti-gay ended up being closeted gays themselves. Well, I guess the shoe fits on the other foot and that the ones who speak out the most on women’s rights & equity are actually just trying to get into their panties/ pants.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:07 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Didn't we have a whole sticky about political stuff on this board? You have got to get a new shtick. Your threads are so tiresome.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 9:09 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:11 am to Handsome Pete
Please point to where anything in the OP was “political“.
Thanks.
* I have posted no YouTube links. Or articles, Tweets, etc… if this thread is not to your liking, you are free to exit at any time.
Thanks.
* I have posted no YouTube links. Or articles, Tweets, etc… if this thread is not to your liking, you are free to exit at any time.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:15 am to SouthEasternKaiju
I have to agree with Kaiju (dammit lol) - nothing political in his posts.
i think to compare Gunn's situation to Whedon is kind of not on the same level.
BUT, i think Whedon did get kind of a raw deal in regards to the situation.
i think to compare Gunn's situation to Whedon is kind of not on the same level.
BUT, i think Whedon did get kind of a raw deal in regards to the situation.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:16 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
Please point to where anything in the OP was “political“.
Please point to where anything in OP is about a movie or tv show. At all.
Thanks.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:23 am to Thracken13
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BUT, i think Whedon did get kind of a raw deal in regards to the situation.
Maybe. But we don’t really know the whole story. We do have parts of the picture, but from what I’ve seen, this banishment from Hollywood seems to be an overreaction. Obviously, there could be more, but despite with some actresses have alluded to, we haven’t seen anything criminal.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:26 am to Thracken13
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I have to agree with Kaiju (dammit lol) - nothing political in his posts.
That's a narrow interpretation of "political". This is simply a thread about cancel culture, which is a very political topic. Is this the right board to discuss cancel culture, even if the victim is in the entertainment biz? If so, we should also have long threads about the political opinions of actors since they are also in the biz. Is that what we want here?
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:32 am to Handsome Pete
You really sound like a quivering pussy
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:34 am to Handsome Pete
quote:
Please point to where anything in OP is about a movie or tv show. At all. Thanks.
Eh, it’s about a show runner and I wouldn’t call this thread political.
As for OP, I get the suspicion that there was more going on we likely don’t know about. I know when stuff started coming out, there was a whole bit about Michelle Tractenberg not being allowed to be alone with him because of how he treated her in a behind closed door meeting (she was in her teens at the time).
But when it’s all said and done, it seems that he was enough of a terrible person that he hit the threshold of at some point his talent wasn’t big enough to continue to give him the leeway to be a dick. And he definitely bit the hand that fed him.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:36 am to Handsome Pete
no it is discussing a director/writer/producer and the circumstances on how he got blackballed out of Hollywood. the way the OP was written was to keep as much politics out of it. it was an honest discussion/observation on his part, and one I dare say that was one of the better written posts he has made.
if you are seeing overt political tones int he post, that is more indicative of a you problem than his post.
if you are seeing overt political tones int he post, that is more indicative of a you problem than his post.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:55 am to Handsome Pete
quote:
Didn't we have a whole sticky about political stuff on this board? You have got to get a new shtick. Your threads are so tiresome.
Thank you for highlighting why that sticky thread/completely ambiguous rule was/is so wrong and has no place here. It was obvious during the thread as well, but we all need these live reminders.
I appreciate your efforts. Please continue mislabeling threads as political simply because they address issues relevant to movie/TV that you would rather ignore.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 9:56 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:56 am to BluegrassBelle
I think his output also was an issue. He kind of supernova'd.
Gunn (the comparison in OP) just puts out better stuff that makes more money.
Lots of his stuff wasn't mainstream and/or financially successful. Buffy was a niche show with a cult following. Firefly lasted 1 season. Cabin in the Woods was shelved for years until his name got big.
He was a script guy (primarily doctor in Hollywood) who got Avengers, but then followed up with a meh Ultron (and then the Russo Bros unlocked the true potential and overshadowed him a great deal). His Justice League output was a shitty disaster. The Nevers, like so much of his work, got cancelled after a year.
Summary: Whedon is overrated and faded quickly prior to the allegations of impropriety. He's also a world class dick and loses people money.
Gunn (the comparison in OP) just puts out better stuff that makes more money.
Lots of his stuff wasn't mainstream and/or financially successful. Buffy was a niche show with a cult following. Firefly lasted 1 season. Cabin in the Woods was shelved for years until his name got big.
He was a script guy (primarily doctor in Hollywood) who got Avengers, but then followed up with a meh Ultron (and then the Russo Bros unlocked the true potential and overshadowed him a great deal). His Justice League output was a shitty disaster. The Nevers, like so much of his work, got cancelled after a year.
Summary: Whedon is overrated and faded quickly prior to the allegations of impropriety. He's also a world class dick and loses people money.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:57 am to Handsome Pete
quote:
If so, we should also have long threads about the political opinions of actors since they are also in the biz. Is that what we want here?
Couldn't really care less, because, apparently unlike you, I possess the ability to NOT click on threads I can clearly tell I won't like and also possess the ability to leave threads I clearly find offensive or uninteresting to me without making a "I don't like this, therefore y'all shouldn't be allowed to post it" comment.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 9:58 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Then he was signed up to help finish The Justice League after Zack Snyder had to dip out in post-production over the loss of his daughter.
The finished product didn't wow too many fans
I honestly didn't think the finished product was too bad. The problem was they hadn't really built up many of the characters. They just expected audiences to instantly be invested in characters they hadn't cultivated. Not sure how Whedon could have possibly fixed that.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:02 am to Thracken13
quote:Gunn was fired for having a perverted sense of humor, not for anything that he actually did against anyone. He’s closer to Gina Carano’s situation than Whedon. He joked about the wrong things.
i think to compare Gunn's situation to Whedon is kind of not on the same level.
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