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Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:27 pm to scrooster
quote:Also Jerry Horne in Twin Peaks
Yeah, David Patrick Kelly
Posted on 3/12/18 at 10:46 pm to scrooster
quote:
I wanna say he also played with James Remar (Dexter's dad) in one of those Nick Nolte, Eddie Murphy flicks too ... 48 Hrs.
Yep. He was Luther.
Eddie Murphy: "Did that hurt, Luther? It sure looked painful..."
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:13 pm to Fewer Kilometers
What the frick?
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:23 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Pauline Kael who is the supposed demigod of not only movie reviewers but every movie reviewer afterwards loved the film:
It has—in visual terms—the kind of impact that “Rock Around the Clock” had when it was played behind the titles of “Blackboard Jungle.” It’s like visual rock, and it’s bursting with energy. The action runs from night until dawn, and most of it is in crisp, bright Day-Glo colors against the terrifying New York blackness; the figures stand out like a jukebox in a dark bar. There’s a night-blooming, psychedelic shine to the whole baroque movie.
The film is beyond cult following IMO...it should just be called a classic film. It's not remotely shot like a b-80's movie...it's really good film-making and has long penetrating shots typical of 70's cinema.
And the pacing...is awesome.
It has—in visual terms—the kind of impact that “Rock Around the Clock” had when it was played behind the titles of “Blackboard Jungle.” It’s like visual rock, and it’s bursting with energy. The action runs from night until dawn, and most of it is in crisp, bright Day-Glo colors against the terrifying New York blackness; the figures stand out like a jukebox in a dark bar. There’s a night-blooming, psychedelic shine to the whole baroque movie.
The film is beyond cult following IMO...it should just be called a classic film. It's not remotely shot like a b-80's movie...it's really good film-making and has long penetrating shots typical of 70's cinema.
And the pacing...is awesome.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:26 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
it was an Epic Myth.
Updated Odessey
visually stunning and has been mentioned the pacing of the movie was perfection
Updated Odessey
visually stunning and has been mentioned the pacing of the movie was perfection
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:48 pm to scrooster
quote:He was Luther, the guy who was watching Eddie Murphy's car and money.
I wanna say he also played with James Remar (Dexter's dad) in one of those Nick Nolte, Eddie Murphy flicks too ... 48 Hrs.
He also played the evil dream warrior in the awesome Dreamscape.
quote:James Remar (Ajax) was also in 48 Hours.
48 Hrs.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:59 pm to Tiger Voodoo
All I wanted to say in this thread is basically:
The film is not cheesy.
It's filmed really well. It takes it's time...it appreciates cinema as an art...it's not some throwaway generic movie. There's nothing generic about it...the movie is full of originality from shots to scenes.
This movie is not a cult classic, it's just a classic.
(Watch it again, you'll get immersed in the night.)
The film is not cheesy.
It's filmed really well. It takes it's time...it appreciates cinema as an art...it's not some throwaway generic movie. There's nothing generic about it...the movie is full of originality from shots to scenes.
This movie is not a cult classic, it's just a classic.
(Watch it again, you'll get immersed in the night.)
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:04 am to blueboy
quote:
James Remar (Ajax) was also in 48 Hours.
Speaking of James Remar, he played the artist, sculptor, in one of those Tales From The Cript movies or something like that ... with Rae Dawn Chong of Commando. Six degrees of separation ... we could probably get to Kevin Bacon in three more tries, or less.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
The Wanderers > The Warriors
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:02 am to scrooster
quote:
Yeah, David Patrick Kelly ... he's done a ton of those bad guy character roles over the years
The moment his face popped up on screen I immediately recognized him as T-Bird in The Crow. One of the most disturbing scenes that has always stuck with me since I saw it in the theater.
The POV shot from Shelly’s perspective as she’s being raped and murdered with him taunting her is one of those scenes that always unsettled me and was kind of burned into my brain.
T-Bird could definitely be a sort of a spiritual continuation of the Luther character. Just a depraved sadistic murderer with no soul or conscience. Assuming he somehow survives his reckoning with The Riffs that is
Posted on 3/13/18 at 6:40 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
The film is not cheesy.
It's filmed really well. It takes it's time...it appreciates cinema as an art...it's not some throwaway generic movie. There's nothing generic about it...the movie is full of originality from shots to scenes.
This movie is not a cult classic, it's just a classic.
(Watch it again, you'll get immersed in the night.)
Really good post, and I just wanted to clarify that I didn’t think the film itself was cheesy. I was specifically talking about some of the interactions between these tough guy characters that due to dialogue, wardrobe, whatever, can just come off a little outdated when compared to the language, both visual and spoken, of today’s world.
I reread my OP and realize that I didn’t give the review enough weight as to how revolutionary the film was. It was more just my initial burst of nostalgia and focusing on how different I remembered the characters, again mostly due to dialogue and wardrobe, in my head having not seen it in probably almost 30 years.
When I mentioned how times had changed, Ajax’s character and his capture in the park particularly had kind of faded from my memory of how it went down. He’s practically trying to rape this broad in what comes off almost as a playful scene, with the girl even pretty much saying relax baby we’ll get it on you just gotta take it easy
It’s just a completely different tone and picture of the world we live in today.
Of course it turns to a more violent and scary scene when she handcuffs him to the bench and he immediately switches to this rabid angry monster screaming and practically trying to tear the bench apart to escape.
That strips away the glamour and sort of heroic quality of these guys, at least some of them, that are just plain criminals, not just kids out looking to fight other guys from rival gangs over turf. He’s just a bad guy.
Swan and Mercy have a very complex relationship that borders on abuse and assault, again just due to the difference in the era from today. It’s just a jarring contrast that can sort of come off as, again, almost kind of cheesy because it is so outrageous compared to what we would see if a film tried to tell this story today.
The scene in the apartment with the girl gang is a perfect example, and why I included that gif in the OP. Take your pick boys, good thing these Chicks just can’t shoot
It’s just in the translation, not in the intention of the film. You have to admit, you won’t see the perm and overall wearing Subway roller skate gang making it on screen nowadays
That is the kind of cheese I was talking about. Hard to not get a chuckle out of stuff like that. But the style and story of the film itself is classic without a doubt.
As another poster said, it is 70s through and through. It depicts New York through a lens every bit as gritty as Serpico or Dog Day Afternoon, hell even back to Midnight Cowboy. Only it shows it almost exclusively under cover of night, which makes it even darker.
And the darkness of the setting paved the way for other movies like Escape from New York, The Crow, hell even Thriller feels like it borrowed from Warriors as much as it did Night of the Living Dead.
Come to think of it, it’s almost a kind of zombie movie. The Warriors are the original Walking Dead.
And the poster that called it an Odessey like journey story was dead on, right down to the Sirens.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 7:05 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:21 am to OWLFAN86
quote:
it was an Epic Myth.
Not really - it was a retelling of a true story.
quote:
Updated Odessey
Anabasis, not Odessey. Clearly, unambiguously, intentionally a retelling of the Anabasis. (Speaking of which, any of you baws still read "books" and shite, I can recommend Michael Curtis Ford's The Ten Thousand as a historical fiction version of the Anabasis, similar in tone and quality as Killer Angels (Gettysburg) or Gates of Fire (Thermopylae).
quote:
visually stunning and has been mentioned the pacing of the movie was perfection
I think this is the real secret - the filmmakers understand storytelling and just put everything together extremely well. This isn't a situation like the old Ed Wood films where we watch to see all of his hamfisted passion executed poorly purely out of a macabre sense of curiosity. The Warriors is a really good film.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 7:32 am to Ace Midnight
Never seen it.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:31 am to Froman
quote:I think I am going to be one of the roller skate dudes next Halloween.
I like that the gangs were eccentric without being too fricking ridiculous to be believable.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 10:23 am to Tiger Voodoo
Other than Debra Winger (tiny role), Mercedes Ruehl probably had the most successful roles after Warriors. Michael Beck was marked as the breakout star, but after Xanadu his career failed to take off.
James Remar and Lynne Thigpen probably have massive IMDB listings. They worked constantly.
James Remar and Lynne Thigpen probably have massive IMDB listings. They worked constantly.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:00 am to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
The Wanderers > The Warriors
Nah...PLUS the Warriors would kill the Wanderers in a fight.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:20 am to parrotdr
quote:
PLUS the Warriors would kill the Wanderers in a fight.
That's not a high bar to clear, though. The Pink Ladies would give the Wanderers a good fight (and they would destroy The Outsiders.)
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:22 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
(and they would destroy The Outsiders.)
no hold on a second ....
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