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re: Westworld S01 E09: "The Well-Tempered Clavier"
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:52 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:52 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Why do you think Ford killed Elsie? What do you think his motivations are in introducing the update that triggered the older models?
Ford knows the MiB is looking for the maze. He also owns the park. Obviously, Ford has something big planned for the MiB and didn't want Elsie to ruin it. Ford will probably have Dolores kill the MiB just like he made her kill Arnold. But this time I think Dolores doesn't kill him but kills Ford instead.
We may have a winner winner chicken dinner here
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:10 am to ell_13
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She certainly seemed to think it could be him. She called his name out.
Well, I could be wrong but she didn't know who Arnold was. Just his name found tied to the code somehow. So when she heard the noise she thought it was him.
Nobody knows what Arnold looks like but Ford. And perhaps some members of the board. They have pointed this out a few times already.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:12 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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We don't know what the maze is yet. One of the hosts says that theres a man living inside the maze who was able to control everything and everyone, ended up getting free and building the maze around him so nobody could find him. For all we know, Arnold could actually be alive inside of the maze and Dolores didn't actually kill him and instead made a host that looked like him and faked his death. This would be another reference to Shakespeare in which the show has many. It would also explain how Arnold was able to write code on that relay in the old theater.
The maze ends where Delores meets with Arnold. Down in the confessional/ lab. I thought that was obvious? Maybe I am wrong? Bernard was created to look like Arnold. Delores killed Arnold 30 years ago.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:15 am to NotoriousFSU
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Seems like plenty of people in the present are aware of who Arnold was, but somehow that one picture of him and Ford is the only proof left he existed? Granted they may not have met or known Arnold, it's hard to imagine Bernard (Arnold) has been walking around the park and no one has been like, "Oh hey that looks exactly like the old dude that helped create the park."
This isn't true. Not many people at all know who Arnold is. And from the looks of it Arnold was dead before the park opened. Also they already mentioned how the board covered up the existence of Arnold before.
Yes, Host and Ford have brought him up a lot when talking to Host but that is about it.
Elsie did start to dig into who Arnold was. I assume that is why Ford had her taken or killed.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:21 am to Mystery
well frick me they did the multiple timeline story
I have so many issues with it, but I'll ignore them right now because last night's episode was the best episode yet
I have so many issues with it, but I'll ignore them right now because last night's episode was the best episode yet
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:22 am to Salmon
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well frick me they did the multiple timeline story
I have so many issues with it, but I'll ignore them right now because last night's episode was the best episode yet
It was you I had the talks with about this before right?
At least you did get your Dolores scene you asked for. They showed her walking by the bounty hunter camp in the present but nobody there. To show that isn't where she went after shooting the rapist.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:26 am to Mystery
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It was you I had the talks with about this before right?
yes
my wife was spot on
she has been calling the "Dolores is living her dreams in real time" for several episodes now
I had to eat crow with her hard last night
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:36 am to Mystery
Pretty cool pic to show the different ages of Ford.
Top right is his age when he created Bernard. So obviously a lot of time passed since Arnold was killed.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:48 am to ell_13
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Could the real Arnold have grabbed Elsie?
Extremely unlikely when Bernarnold has memory of it. How would he remember it if he didn't do it? I was actually thinking that last episode, but this one cleared it up.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:52 am to Mystery
My only concern with WW is the American audience being too stupid for this show to get the 4-6 seasons it deserves. I'm already fearing a premature cancellation.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:03 am to Mystery
How is that not true?
They've said Arnold died a few years before the park opened, which would be 35 years before what we're seeing as the present. In 35 years people at Apple are gonna know who Steve Jobs was and it's not like the only proof of his existence is an old polaroid taken back in 1970.
Steve Jobs made a fricking iPhone and everyone knows him. Arnold created an artificial lifetime capable of developing consciousness, and Ford has no problem sharing the tidbits of the park's genesis with Arnold's involvement, yet no one notices him walking around again maybe 15-20 years after his death?
They've said Arnold died a few years before the park opened, which would be 35 years before what we're seeing as the present. In 35 years people at Apple are gonna know who Steve Jobs was and it's not like the only proof of his existence is an old polaroid taken back in 1970.
Steve Jobs made a fricking iPhone and everyone knows him. Arnold created an artificial lifetime capable of developing consciousness, and Ford has no problem sharing the tidbits of the park's genesis with Arnold's involvement, yet no one notices him walking around again maybe 15-20 years after his death?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:13 am to Salmon
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she has been calling the "Dolores is living her dreams in real time" for several episodes now
If she is having reveries/dreams, then how are we seeing anything in the past when she is not around to see it (e.g. William and/or Logan scenes without her present)? This has been my main issue with the multiple time frames, and, in my opinion, evidence of sloppy writing. If you are going to weave this elaborate multi-time-frame story with her jumping from the present to memories, then her POV should be the only one we see from the past (regarding her/their story line).
One argument could be that we are also seeing William's POV, but he is fading in and out of her reality and William is not having flashbacks. In other words, they would be mixing her memories with his.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:14 am to Jwodie
It will not get a second season
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:15 am to NotoriousFSU
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They've said Arnold died a few years before the park opened, which would be 35 years before what we're seeing as the present. In 35 years people at Apple are gonna know who Steve Jobs was and it's not like the only proof of his existence is an old polaroid taken back in 1970.
Just a bit off. In your example, Ford would be Steve Jobs, not Arnold. How many people would know who Ronald Wayne is?
He started Apple along with Jobs and Wozniak. However, he sold his share of the startup back to Jobs and Wozniak after the three had created the Apple I computer, but before they'd incorporated the company.
Same general idea as Westworld: both Arnold and Ronald Wayne helped create novel technology that then matured over the next 30-40 years and became world famous. Yet, nobody knows who the hell they are, though their legacy and their old partners are household knowledge.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:20 am to AceHole
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It will not get a second season
It's already been greenlit for a second season. Try again.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:29 am to Rakim
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The maze ends where Delores meets with Arnold. Down in the confessional/ lab. I thought that was obvious?
Maybe so, but whenever Arnold is telling her to find the maze he is sitting there with her in that lab. Why would he tell her to find the place she's gone to a bunch of times and how would that make her free?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:30 am to Salmon
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I have so many issues with it, but I'll ignore them right now because last night's episode was the best episode yet
Agreed. You could see it coming from miles away and while I don't care about anyone being 'right or wrong' about it, it's cheap as hell storytelling IMO, and they used very manipulative editing.
Regardless, I've been entertained as frick and will look passed it.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:31 am to AceHole
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AceHole
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It will not get a second season
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:35 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Maybe so, but whenever Arnold is telling her to find the maze he is sitting there with her in that lab. Why would he tell her to find the place she's gone to a bunch of times and how would that make her free?
To test her memory, which he considers to be the cornerstone of consciousness?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:42 am to NotoriousFSU
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How is that not true?
They've said Arnold died a few years before the park opened, which would be 35 years before what we're seeing as the present. In 35 years people at Apple are gonna know who Steve Jobs was and it's not like the only proof of his existence is an old polaroid taken back in 1970.
Because it isn't. Nobody knows who Arnold was. 95% of the talk about Arnold was Ford and Bernard talking or Host talking to themselves. That's the point. It doesn't matter that the host know.
For example Elsie is trying to figure out who Arnold is after the bar shootout and the Host mentioned Arnold. They have no idea. He was only alive with a small team before the park was public and we know how that ended. Buried in the sand.
Did you miss the line where they said the board erased him from memory? Clearly there was a cover up.
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Steve Jobs made a fricking iPhone and everyone knows him. Arnold created an artificial lifetime capable of developing consciousness, and Ford has no problem sharing the tidbits of the park's genesis with Arnold's involvement, yet no one notices him walking around again maybe 15-20 years after his death?
Once again who outside knows who Arnold is? Ford has only shared this with the host, and as soon as Theresa and Elsie started to piece it together, they got offed.
Also you really should look into Apple and Steve Jobs partners.
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