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re: Westworld S2 E10: The Passenger
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:27 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Posted on 6/25/18 at 8:27 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
Stubbs is a HOST.
The Ghost Nation saved him, baw. He's human.
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Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:03 pm to The Boat
I think this series should not be renewed. Unless they legalize Marijuana in my state. Too much smoke and not enough substance.
Obviously I'm too dense to keep pace. And I actually read the book.
Maybe give someone else a shot at a spinoff and leave out some of the mind games.
Obviously I'm too dense to keep pace. And I actually read the book.
Maybe give someone else a shot at a spinoff and leave out some of the mind games.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:38 pm to dallastiger55
Just watched.
Last season ended with awe and wonder about where they would take the story next.
This season basically ended with a mulligan.
Consider me less than thrilled about season three's prospects.
Last season ended with awe and wonder about where they would take the story next.
This season basically ended with a mulligan.
Consider me less than thrilled about season three's prospects.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:49 pm to WMTigerFAN
I’m over it. Not even excited for another season. I kept trying to justify this season, but the finale confirmed.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:05 pm to The Boat
quote:
The Ghost Nation saved him, baw. He's human.
That fan theory was proven wrong in the "read pages of text on the screen" episode. Running Bear was trying to protect Maeve and her daughter from human like the man in black, and we later found out that Maeve was Ford's favorite who he viewed as his own child.
Anyway, I think Joy's interviews make it clear that Stubbs was supposed to be a host, regardless of how it looked in the show. Too bad they have to do so many interviews to explain what they were trying to do in the show.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:26 pm to PowerTool
That really felt like a series finale and not just a season finale.
Posted on 6/25/18 at 11:42 pm to BayouBandit24
quote:
I’m over it.
Yeah. Really will miss these 2 together. Almost only reason I watched at times.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:31 am to LSU Coyote
So what was the the point of them blowing up the one place that wasn't supposed to allow hosts to be reborn If they can just bring them back anyway? And what's the point of mib playing Ford's game, but then halfway through the season just stops and starts riding around with his daughter, then goes with delores. And i thought del9res was going to use the forge as a weapon somehow? So many wasted hrs now that I think back on it. It's like there's so little pay off.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 4:21 am to etm512
quote:
That really felt like a series finale and not just a season finale.
True, but part of me felt like that last season.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:43 am to ohiovol
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That really felt like a series finale and not just a season finale.
It really did and the show probably shouldn't even be called Westworld any longer. I'm just so disappointed that the cool concept of the AI theme park is pretty much dead now and we are left with a battle for the right of AI to not be slaves in the real world.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:28 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:You can destroy the body, no problem, as long as the mind is intact. You destroy the mind, and it's game over because the backups were blowed up. The way they die is different from the way we die. They look human. They AREN'T. The point is that now when they die, they die
So what was the the point of them blowing up the one place that wasn't supposed to allow hosts to be reborn If they can just bring them back anyway?
quote:MiB thought it was all part of Ford's game. That's why he killed his daughter, remember? He believed she was a host in Ford's game.
And what's the point of mib playing Ford's game, but then halfway through the season just stops and starts riding around with his daughter, then goes with delores.
quote:She is. Knowledge is a weapon.
And i thought del9res was going to use the forge as a weapon somehow?
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:34 am to TigerstuckinMS
Yeah but we went through a whole season of MIB playing Robert's game and at the end there is no game or explanation of it. Crappy.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:47 am to prplhze2000
When they started the backup upload, there was mention of the data stream being much more than expected. I wonder what was actually uploaded...
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:55 am to PowerTool
quote:
It's not clear if Stubbs was a host with similar programming to Teddy
Maybe Stubbs is Teddy in the last scene.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:21 am to TigerstuckinMS
quote:
You can destroy the body, no problem, as long as the mind is intact. You destroy the mind, and it's game over because the backups were blowed up. The way they die is different from the way we die. They look human. They AREN'T. The point is that now when they die, they die
You are missing his point.
He is referring to building a host mind based on memories of another host.
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quote:
MiB thought it was all part of Ford's game. That's why he killed his daughter, remember? He believed she was a host in Ford's game.
The post credits scene made the whole season worth it.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:22 am to prplhze2000
I like this show a lot but this season was just too convoluted for convolution's sake. I knew there were two timelines at least (near each other) but when you add in the Delos testing, all the times Arnold/Bernard and Delores were in the testing room, etc, it just gets too confusing for no reason.
I know they are trying to maintain a sense of "the mystery box" and trying to blow peoples minds, but it's overkill in that department. This whole entire show would be much better if the first time they showed a significant time jump that we were given at least 1-2 captions with a point of reference of the time period ("20 years ago, 100 years later). I'm not talking all the time jumps bc obviously some of those reveals can be huge plot points, but the stuff like fidelity testing delos, the party, the timeline of starting the park, etc.
I get they are trying to be all mysterious and throw people off but it's just too many going on at once. They want their big reveal to always be WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? Since you have hosts that don't age, so far, and it's just not pleasant to watch.
Even with LOST or the Leftovers when they went off the rails, they quickly rebounded and set everything regarding WHEN, WHERE, etc back in stone soon after. ('WE HAVE TO GO BACK') And by doing so (confirming WHERE/WHEN we were) it made that much more impact when the reveal happened.
Westworld is just meandering around time jumps, timelines, park/not the park willy nilly with no actual concrete proof where everything is falling, when stuff has happened in relation to the other events, and they jump around so much it's hard to even follow the events anymore because the linear nature is completely scrambled with no frames of reference to base it on.
Delores is now in the real world.....DUN DUN DUN, or is she? It could easily be either way. Let's cleverly fade the camera with Arnold/Bernard with Delores switching roles and, for good measure let's jump a timeline just to throw people off. Arnold has been testing Delores for fidelity since the beginning of the show. OH WAIT NOPE, Delores actually created BERNARD and she's been testing HIM. DUN DUN DUN. William shot and killed his daughter, a tragic scene and moment as a father.....DUN DUN DUN She wasnt real she's still alive even though they did everything to reveal it was really her...AND WAIT, WILLIAM ISNT EVEN REAL, HES BEEN A HOST THE WHOLE TIME...WAIT WHICH ONE IS THE REAL DAUGHTER? So wait, a William host actually killed a Emily host, or was the one he killed really her and THIS ONE IS A HOST? LOGAN OD'D ages ago, the Logans are hosts! And, dammit, Elsie died, I liked her. ....OR DID SHE? The big Teddy moment, Delores dying, who gives a shite now? They are back in the next scene.
They made it a point to say when they destroyed the cradle that it meant all backups were gone so "death" was death. Yet Bernard, Delores, and Hale all seem to be fine. Why even go down that plot point with destroying the cradle? The whole point was to "be free" of the backups so death was final. Lessens the impact of Talleulah and that awesome scene. Did it matter?
Nope.
Meh
Just when they start to bring everything together they just crowbar something else in the mix (end credits scene, Bernard being somewhere and disappearing into another time, Hale AND Delores in the world world WTF?) to throw everything off the trail.
And to add to this, they want us to now question every single "guest" as if they were hosts. It's bad enough the timelines aren't defined and when they are, they cancel them out by DUN DUN DUN, flashing somewhere else, but now we are supposed to question the nature of the very show we are watching and if anything is even real. I know that's what they are going for and this show is based on questioning the nature of your reality, but it's exhausting when there is no pay off. And there hasn't been whatsoever.
I stuck with it this season, and I'll be there next as well as the start because I really enjoyed the first season, but if they continue to just mindfrick the audience for the sake of it, I'm going to bow out.
People bitch about LOST not answering anything, Westworld is Season 2 and I barely know wtf is going on because the show is fragmented just for the sake of being "Edgy" its annoying as shite. I know a lot of fans of this show that quit on it after this finale.
I wouldnt put it past this show if in the end this was all a VR simulation and there was never even robots.
I know they are trying to maintain a sense of "the mystery box" and trying to blow peoples minds, but it's overkill in that department. This whole entire show would be much better if the first time they showed a significant time jump that we were given at least 1-2 captions with a point of reference of the time period ("20 years ago, 100 years later). I'm not talking all the time jumps bc obviously some of those reveals can be huge plot points, but the stuff like fidelity testing delos, the party, the timeline of starting the park, etc.
I get they are trying to be all mysterious and throw people off but it's just too many going on at once. They want their big reveal to always be WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN? Since you have hosts that don't age, so far, and it's just not pleasant to watch.
Even with LOST or the Leftovers when they went off the rails, they quickly rebounded and set everything regarding WHEN, WHERE, etc back in stone soon after. ('WE HAVE TO GO BACK') And by doing so (confirming WHERE/WHEN we were) it made that much more impact when the reveal happened.
Westworld is just meandering around time jumps, timelines, park/not the park willy nilly with no actual concrete proof where everything is falling, when stuff has happened in relation to the other events, and they jump around so much it's hard to even follow the events anymore because the linear nature is completely scrambled with no frames of reference to base it on.
Delores is now in the real world.....DUN DUN DUN, or is she? It could easily be either way. Let's cleverly fade the camera with Arnold/Bernard with Delores switching roles and, for good measure let's jump a timeline just to throw people off. Arnold has been testing Delores for fidelity since the beginning of the show. OH WAIT NOPE, Delores actually created BERNARD and she's been testing HIM. DUN DUN DUN. William shot and killed his daughter, a tragic scene and moment as a father.....DUN DUN DUN She wasnt real she's still alive even though they did everything to reveal it was really her...AND WAIT, WILLIAM ISNT EVEN REAL, HES BEEN A HOST THE WHOLE TIME...WAIT WHICH ONE IS THE REAL DAUGHTER? So wait, a William host actually killed a Emily host, or was the one he killed really her and THIS ONE IS A HOST? LOGAN OD'D ages ago, the Logans are hosts! And, dammit, Elsie died, I liked her. ....OR DID SHE? The big Teddy moment, Delores dying, who gives a shite now? They are back in the next scene.
They made it a point to say when they destroyed the cradle that it meant all backups were gone so "death" was death. Yet Bernard, Delores, and Hale all seem to be fine. Why even go down that plot point with destroying the cradle? The whole point was to "be free" of the backups so death was final. Lessens the impact of Talleulah and that awesome scene. Did it matter?
Nope.
Meh
Just when they start to bring everything together they just crowbar something else in the mix (end credits scene, Bernard being somewhere and disappearing into another time, Hale AND Delores in the world world WTF?) to throw everything off the trail.
And to add to this, they want us to now question every single "guest" as if they were hosts. It's bad enough the timelines aren't defined and when they are, they cancel them out by DUN DUN DUN, flashing somewhere else, but now we are supposed to question the nature of the very show we are watching and if anything is even real. I know that's what they are going for and this show is based on questioning the nature of your reality, but it's exhausting when there is no pay off. And there hasn't been whatsoever.
I stuck with it this season, and I'll be there next as well as the start because I really enjoyed the first season, but if they continue to just mindfrick the audience for the sake of it, I'm going to bow out.
People bitch about LOST not answering anything, Westworld is Season 2 and I barely know wtf is going on because the show is fragmented just for the sake of being "Edgy" its annoying as shite. I know a lot of fans of this show that quit on it after this finale.
I wouldnt put it past this show if in the end this was all a VR simulation and there was never even robots.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 11:49 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:43 am to TigerstuckinMS
quote:yes nut I wanna know what came was it that Ford wanted him to play because murdering his own flesh and blood daughter wasmt it. He went off the rails I wanna know what would've happened if he'd stayed the course
MiB thought it was all part of Ford's game. That's why he killed his daughter, remember? He believed she was a host in Ford's game.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:45 am to musick
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People bitch about LOST not answering anything, Westworld is Season 2 and I barely know wtf is going on because the show is fragmented just for the sake of being "Edgy" its annoying as shite. I know a lot of fans of this show that quit on it after this finale.
The shows is not great for more reasons than fragmented story telling. Benard with his memory issues this season executed the 2 points in time very well. The mechasim to tell that story was well done and fun. It was easy to follow along once Elsie came back into the picture. Ppl are terrible at paying attention.
Everything with Maeve was damn ridiculous and fruitless. The valley beyond being a server somewhere just to get uploaded to a different server. The Forge was disappointing. It didn't give us any further insight, just confirmation.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:51 am to LSU Coyote
quote:
You are missing his point.
He is referring to building a host mind based on memories of another host.
Edt:
Ahh, yes, I see. Yeah, that's still viable, though it's not as iron-clad or as all-encompassing as what was in the cradle. Also, I don't know if they can build brains yet. They've got the machine to build bodies in Bernard's living room, but I don't know if they can build brains, which would make it all a moot point.
'You live only as long as the last person remembers you.' definitely captures the idea, though.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:53 am to The Boat
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The only problem with the end was William didn’t act like Emily was his daughter. When William was doing the fidelity tests with Delos Delos knew who William was.
And they fricking rescued William at the end.
frick THE FART SNIFFING NOLAN BROTHERS.
Timelines dude. The fidelty test-William is likely hundreds of years removed from the actual events that took place in his fidelity test. Real world William survives the park. Delores might off him in the real world later though
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