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re: Westworld s2 e5: Akane No Mai
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:31 am to Jizzy08
Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:31 am to Jizzy08
I think they're down two different paths - I think Dolores is attempting to reach autonomous sentience where every host is it's own entity whereas I think the Maeve-mind-control may be going down the path towards a single, hive-minded sentient AI.
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 6:45 am to Pitch To Johnny
I think there could be something interesting to come from the Dolores storyline, but sweet Jesus is it taking its time getting there.
On a more technical/granular level, the show seems to have no clue what it is doing. Why does Dolores kill the Confederados? She has a technician, why not bring them back like she did te first Confederados? How do Delos security forces with modern technology keep getting massacred by hosts with confederate (or worse) technology?
On a more technical/granular level, the show seems to have no clue what it is doing. Why does Dolores kill the Confederados? She has a technician, why not bring them back like she did te first Confederados? How do Delos security forces with modern technology keep getting massacred by hosts with confederate (or worse) technology?
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:36 am to ladytiger118
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I read on another site that the Geisha danced to Wu Tang Clan
That's awesome. I knew it sounded familiar but couldn't place it. A lot of the songs they use are easily identifiable but some of them I can't put my finger on.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:41 am to THRILLHO
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I saw someone on twitter (I think one of the Barstool guys) say that this show is becoming "Lost." I'd agree. I don't think that the writers have any idea where they're going with this. They re-write the rules (of what Delores and Maeve can do) weekly at a whim.
Disagree and Agree.
It's a lot like LOST in the Bernard/William storyline, but it is certainly going somewhere. It's obvious to me they have an end game, or at least a path there.
LOST kind of meandered around starting in Season 3-4 because it was obvious they were just throwing stuff out there and not having that end game. Remember also, this was in the days of the 24-25 episode season. HBO's 8-10 episode seasons allow it to be more focused and streamlined.
Westworld is obviously going towards a Terminator/Skynet route with AI waking up and eventually spilling out into the real world with a side of DNA cloning/Blade Runner just for good measure.
I'm a huge LOST fan, and the scenes with Bernard/William are much better than the Mauve/Delores plot. It's like the John Locke / Desmond Hatch storyline vs. Claire / Jack's dad Aaron storyline.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 7:51 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:11 am to musick
Agreed. I don’t think the issue is a lack of endgame here. Instead the issue is that they are doing a very bad job of taking a lot of storylines from point A to the endgame.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:53 am to t00f
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this is all going to come together
Hopefully they start roping everyone's side stories towards their final (related) conclusion. It's what happened in season 1. And it's the major writing style of the Nolan bros. It WILL happen.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:38 am to BigOrangeVols
The whole Delores/Teddy storyline just sucks ... unless Teddy is the one that ultimately takes Delores down in the end.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:45 am to Pitch To Johnny
I thought the episode was fine. It served it's purpose of progressing the story. After last week's episode (the best of the series IMO), just about anything was going to pale in comparison. I do agree with most everyone that episodes with the MIB and Bernard storylines are more interesting.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:46 am to THRILLHO
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I saw someone on twitter (I think one of the Barstool guys) say that this show is becoming "Lost." I'd agree. I don't think that the writers have any idea where they're going with this. They re-write the rules (of what Delores and Maeve can do) weekly at a whim.
Jonathan Nolan isn't going to be involved with something and not have an endgame in mind.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:04 am to DivotBreath
I think the problem is too much focus on the hosts interacting with each other. Why should we care if host geisha kills host samurai or Delores double crosses host soldiers? Their motivations are at least partially programmed and they can be brought back to life. Seems like wheel spinning to me. On the other hand, Man in Black (past and present) and Bernard hiding his true nature among humans are interesting. Season 2 seems to have a story to tell, maybe just not enough of one.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:23 am to RedPants
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Jonathan Nolan isn't going to be involved with something and not have an endgame in mind.
JJ Abrams will though.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:32 am to prplhze2000
Probably the worst episode of the season, but also the most subtle Wu Tang I've ever heard in my life
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:41 am to musick
I wish GOT and WW were 12 episodes or so. Mad Men was a little longer and did very well with it.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:43 am to prplhze2000
No then it would be stretched out WAY too much. It’s hard to maintain a show at a very high level over a decade.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 1:00 pm to OMLandshark
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JJ Abrams will though.
Abrams had little to no involvement in LOST after the first season.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 2:18 pm to BigOrangeVols
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Dolores is attempting to reach autonomous sentience
the Arnold philosophy embodied by Bernard - let them become human and evolve
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Maeve-mind-control may be going down the path towards a single, hive-minded sentient AI
Ford's philosophy with Ford himself being the "voice inside their heads" which makes Ford their "God"
Maeve's bluetooth is a backdoor written in by Ford that she can now access due to her "settings"
Posted on 5/21/18 at 7:58 pm to supatigah
I read that this show has been steadily losing viewers...and tonight's episode proves why.
I literally drifted off during every Delores scene and the entire Shogun plot should have been incredible.... But, like someone else posted, no one cares about the interaction between hosts.. they're basically all so unlikeable, it's like rooting for the Nazis to win in an Indiana Jones movie.
They have got to focus on MIB/Bernard/Delos stuff... It's all that captivates the audience, or the show won't last that muxh longer, especially with tbe budget it probably pulls.
Just compare the show to GoT, where every scene and nearly every word is meaningful and holds your attention. You're so vested in the characters, even after 1 season... something Westworld has failed miserably to achieve.
I literally drifted off during every Delores scene and the entire Shogun plot should have been incredible.... But, like someone else posted, no one cares about the interaction between hosts.. they're basically all so unlikeable, it's like rooting for the Nazis to win in an Indiana Jones movie.
They have got to focus on MIB/Bernard/Delos stuff... It's all that captivates the audience, or the show won't last that muxh longer, especially with tbe budget it probably pulls.
Just compare the show to GoT, where every scene and nearly every word is meaningful and holds your attention. You're so vested in the characters, even after 1 season... something Westworld has failed miserably to achieve.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:09 pm to supatigah
I do think there are two paths that are going on simultaneously in regards to gaining consciousness, with each "father" offering a different philosophy. I want to say Dolores is going the way of Arnold, and Maeve is taking a different approach that is influenced by Ford, but in Ford's later years it seems like he had a lot of "in hindsight" moments with Dolores and Arnold's original philosophy for consciousness.
It kind of feels like Dolores's path was bootstrapped at first, with her becoming awake and going from there. She is still on her Wyatt narrative, but maybe it's to invoke suffering within herself to the point of her breaking out of the "Wyatt" loop and thinking for herself. Whereas Maeve has been experiencing the suffering all along about her daughter.
I really wouldn't think Ford would go through all of the trouble if he planned on intervening once he went into the Delos cloud. He's a scientist at heart so he's not gonna interfere with his own experiment right?
I think we still need some more info in the next episodes for it all to make sense, and maybe a trivial explanation by Cloud Ford.
It kind of feels like Dolores's path was bootstrapped at first, with her becoming awake and going from there. She is still on her Wyatt narrative, but maybe it's to invoke suffering within herself to the point of her breaking out of the "Wyatt" loop and thinking for herself. Whereas Maeve has been experiencing the suffering all along about her daughter.
I really wouldn't think Ford would go through all of the trouble if he planned on intervening once he went into the Delos cloud. He's a scientist at heart so he's not gonna interfere with his own experiment right?
I think we still need some more info in the next episodes for it all to make sense, and maybe a trivial explanation by Cloud Ford.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:11 pm to t00f
Good not great episode
This season is ok, but my wife and I both are checking our phones by the halfway point of every episode
Hopkins brought so much to season 1. He is missed
This season is ok, but my wife and I both are checking our phones by the halfway point of every episode
Hopkins brought so much to season 1. He is missed
Posted on 5/21/18 at 8:11 pm to Jack Ruby
The problem is Westworld never had a plot that could sustain a show for 6 seasons. The entire first season would have been perfectly fine as a miniseries. I had this fear with Stranger Things as well. Season 2, while inferior to the first, has convinced me that you can do six seasons with the concept.
With Westworld it's just convincing me of my worst fears going into the season. Really it's going to take a "Through the Looking Glass" from LOST finale to convince me you can take this for another 3 or so seasons. That episode solely justified another 3 seasons since you now knew the rough trajectory the second half would take. They're losing me fairly quickly, but I will see this season through to the end just in case they have something brilliant planned. If they don't, I won't be back for Season 3.
With Westworld it's just convincing me of my worst fears going into the season. Really it's going to take a "Through the Looking Glass" from LOST finale to convince me you can take this for another 3 or so seasons. That episode solely justified another 3 seasons since you now knew the rough trajectory the second half would take. They're losing me fairly quickly, but I will see this season through to the end just in case they have something brilliant planned. If they don't, I won't be back for Season 3.
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