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2022 NBA Rookies - First Two Months
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 12/28/22 at 12:01 pm
I know there's a lot of us that really enjoy following the draft, so I thought it would be fun to get some discussion going on the rookies around the league, and who has outperformed your expectations, underperformed, etc etc.
I'll space out each section as well, to help break everything up a bit:
Dyson Daniels: Being this is Pels talk it makes sense to start with our rookie, Dyson Daniels. There's not much that needs to be said that hasn't already been said somewhere on the board, but it's safe to say he's contributed early than most probably thought he would. His efficiencies have dipped in the last 10, shooting 40% from the field and 32% from three with 5.4 pts, 3 rbs, and 2.1 asts in about 22.5 minutes a night, plus the obvious defensive contributions. I think we can all agree we like where he currently is.
Paolo Banchero: The best rookie has unarguably been 1st pick Paolo Banchero. I thought it was crazy he was being considered the 3rd overall pick for much of the pre-draft process, but so far, while it's early, looks like Orlando made the right pick. He's averaging 21 pts, 7 rbs, and 4 asts per game on 45% from the field and 32% from three. Defensively, I would say he's been about what you expected. Hasn't been god awful, but hasn't been good either.
Bennedict Mathurin: The other highly talked about rookie has been Benedict Mathurin. He came out the gates scorching, scoring 19 pts per game on 42% shooting from three and 44% from the field during the first five weeks of the season. But over the last month he has gone cold, shooting just 21% from three and 38% from the field. His on/off stats defensively have been VERY positive so far though.
Jeremy Sochan: Jeremy Sochan has sort of come on as of late. He missed 5 games in late November/early December but since returning he has scored on average 10 pts, with 6 rbs and 4 asts a night on 43% from the field and 21% from three. In his last 5 he's averaged 14, 8, and 4, and he's been quite good defensively. He's a guy to keep an eye on.
Jaden Ivey: Jaden Ivey is an interesting discussion for whether he has exceeded or failed to meet expectations, as he was another guy that was very controversial. He's averaging 15.5 pts, 4.2 rbs, and 4.0 asts. Sounds very good for a rookie, but he's been one of the more inefficient guards in the league, bottom 20%, and his ast/to ratio is amongst the bottom 30% of guards in the league.
Jabari Smith: We've said all this and haven't mentioned the guy that leads rookies in total minutes, third pick Jabari Smith Jr. He has scored a modest 12 pts a night, grabbed 7 rbs, and dished out 0.8 asts a night. Perhaps the most surprising, he's only shooting 34% from three, and has only shot 32% from three since the calendar changed to December. The Rockets have actually been a good bit worse with him on the floor, offensively.
Keegan Murray: I would say Keegan Murray has settled in about where we all expected. He's been good but quiet, 12 pts a game, only 4 rbs a game, the same .8 ast as Smith. He's shooting 43% from the field and is up to 39% from three after shooting 47% from three in December, on 6.5 attempts a game. Though those 6.5 threes take up nearly 63% of his shots per night. He too, at least according to on/off stats, has been very good defensively.
AJ Griffin: AJ Griffin had cracked the starting lineup there for Atlanta for a while, starting 7 games at the beginning of December. While he averaged 14 pts per game, he shot sub 30% from three in those games as a starter. He's shot 41% from three coming off the bench. For the season he's averaged 11 pts per game, with 2 boards and 1 ast, on 47% from the field and 37% from three. He's now a key piece of the Hawks rotation, and has been perfectly average defensively, which I would say has exceeded expectations.
Andrew Nembhard: Andrew Nembhard was the first pick of the second round for the Indiana Pacers, and has started 21 of his last 22 games. In those games he's averaged about 30 minutes a night, along with 10 pts, 4 rbs, and 4 asts, on an efficient 49% from the field and 39% from three. Though he's been quite bad defensively.
I'll space out each section as well, to help break everything up a bit:
Dyson Daniels: Being this is Pels talk it makes sense to start with our rookie, Dyson Daniels. There's not much that needs to be said that hasn't already been said somewhere on the board, but it's safe to say he's contributed early than most probably thought he would. His efficiencies have dipped in the last 10, shooting 40% from the field and 32% from three with 5.4 pts, 3 rbs, and 2.1 asts in about 22.5 minutes a night, plus the obvious defensive contributions. I think we can all agree we like where he currently is.
Paolo Banchero: The best rookie has unarguably been 1st pick Paolo Banchero. I thought it was crazy he was being considered the 3rd overall pick for much of the pre-draft process, but so far, while it's early, looks like Orlando made the right pick. He's averaging 21 pts, 7 rbs, and 4 asts per game on 45% from the field and 32% from three. Defensively, I would say he's been about what you expected. Hasn't been god awful, but hasn't been good either.
Bennedict Mathurin: The other highly talked about rookie has been Benedict Mathurin. He came out the gates scorching, scoring 19 pts per game on 42% shooting from three and 44% from the field during the first five weeks of the season. But over the last month he has gone cold, shooting just 21% from three and 38% from the field. His on/off stats defensively have been VERY positive so far though.
Jeremy Sochan: Jeremy Sochan has sort of come on as of late. He missed 5 games in late November/early December but since returning he has scored on average 10 pts, with 6 rbs and 4 asts a night on 43% from the field and 21% from three. In his last 5 he's averaged 14, 8, and 4, and he's been quite good defensively. He's a guy to keep an eye on.
Jaden Ivey: Jaden Ivey is an interesting discussion for whether he has exceeded or failed to meet expectations, as he was another guy that was very controversial. He's averaging 15.5 pts, 4.2 rbs, and 4.0 asts. Sounds very good for a rookie, but he's been one of the more inefficient guards in the league, bottom 20%, and his ast/to ratio is amongst the bottom 30% of guards in the league.
Jabari Smith: We've said all this and haven't mentioned the guy that leads rookies in total minutes, third pick Jabari Smith Jr. He has scored a modest 12 pts a night, grabbed 7 rbs, and dished out 0.8 asts a night. Perhaps the most surprising, he's only shooting 34% from three, and has only shot 32% from three since the calendar changed to December. The Rockets have actually been a good bit worse with him on the floor, offensively.
Keegan Murray: I would say Keegan Murray has settled in about where we all expected. He's been good but quiet, 12 pts a game, only 4 rbs a game, the same .8 ast as Smith. He's shooting 43% from the field and is up to 39% from three after shooting 47% from three in December, on 6.5 attempts a game. Though those 6.5 threes take up nearly 63% of his shots per night. He too, at least according to on/off stats, has been very good defensively.
AJ Griffin: AJ Griffin had cracked the starting lineup there for Atlanta for a while, starting 7 games at the beginning of December. While he averaged 14 pts per game, he shot sub 30% from three in those games as a starter. He's shot 41% from three coming off the bench. For the season he's averaged 11 pts per game, with 2 boards and 1 ast, on 47% from the field and 37% from three. He's now a key piece of the Hawks rotation, and has been perfectly average defensively, which I would say has exceeded expectations.
Andrew Nembhard: Andrew Nembhard was the first pick of the second round for the Indiana Pacers, and has started 21 of his last 22 games. In those games he's averaged about 30 minutes a night, along with 10 pts, 4 rbs, and 4 asts, on an efficient 49% from the field and 39% from three. Though he's been quite bad defensively.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:08 pm to CP3forMVP
Jalen Williams and Jalen Duren both also seem to be having good rookie years.
I think it’s a real question for the pistons right now if Duren hasn’t been their better rookie.
Re-picking for the Pels with the benefit of 30 game hindsight I would probably still take Daniels, but considering our need for a rim protector Duren would get a hard look from me.
I think it’s a real question for the pistons right now if Duren hasn’t been their better rookie.
Re-picking for the Pels with the benefit of 30 game hindsight I would probably still take Daniels, but considering our need for a rim protector Duren would get a hard look from me.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:15 pm to ned nederlander
Yeah, Duren looks like he is starting to put it together.
Dyson def slipping lately, but he's a rookie so the ups and downs are expected.
Dyson def slipping lately, but he's a rookie so the ups and downs are expected.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:17 pm to ned nederlander
Duren was another guy I wanted to talk about, but didn't want to make the post super long lol
Duren was always super intriguing, but I just wasn't sure I wanted to use our pick on a center. But he's been really good, in the 9 games he's started he's averaging 12 boards a game for them, with 4 of those coming offensively, and he's been good defensively.
Duren was always super intriguing, but I just wasn't sure I wanted to use our pick on a center. But he's been really good, in the 9 games he's started he's averaging 12 boards a game for them, with 4 of those coming offensively, and he's been good defensively.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/28/22 at 1:57 pm to CP3forMVP
Duren’ FT% is currently dreadful.
If he can’t get that number up considerably over the next few years his ability to stay on the floor for a playoff team will be severely limited though.
If he can’t get that number up considerably over the next few years his ability to stay on the floor for a playoff team will be severely limited though.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:12 pm to CP3forMVP
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Duren was another guy I wanted to talk about, but didn't want to make the post super long lol
Duren is the youngest player in the draft and still super raw. I believe he has a ceiling of a prime Drummond. His musculature is close to ideal. He doesn't have to develop any skills and should still be a dominant player.
I was super huge on Duren pre-draft (along with Agbaji and that isn't working out super well). I like Daniel's though and he has great value. I believe we could of had both and dumped Hayes. The Knicks shopped that pick hard. We could of had it..
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:41 pm to brmark70816
I honestly think he can be gobert, he's already further defensively than Drummond. And Drummond despite being a solid defender, became a Stat padder at the cost of his defense
Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:14 am to htran90
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honestly think he can be gobert, he's already further defensively than Drummond. And Drummond despite being a solid defender, became a Stat padder at the cost of his defense
Interesting. I always thought Drummond was supposed to be a good defender. I guess cause of all the rebounds. Maybe I got that wrong.
Gobert has such freakish length and has a slight build. I went with Drummond due to the bulk. I think Duren is already more muscular than Gobert. I could have went Dwight Howard. But Howard is a really high bar to reach..
Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:40 am to tzimme4
Chet is out for the season.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 11:16 am to brmark70816
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Interesting. I always thought Drummond was supposed to be a good defender. I guess cause of all the rebounds. Maybe I got that wrong.
Gobert has such freakish length and has a slight build. I went with Drummond due to the bulk. I think Duren is already more muscular than Gobert. I could have went Dwight Howard. But Howard is a really high bar to reach..
When I was younger I was on a small message board, kind of like a much smaller RealGM, and there was a lot of Pistons fans on there and Drummond was always a hot conversation. He was never a consistent defender, he had a few years in his prime when he was a hair above average, but in general he was actually a pretty bad defender.
On the subject of Duren, he had 18 boards last night with 8 coming offensively.
Another guy we didn't bring up is Johnny Davis, he's continued his run through Summer League and Preseason and has just been really really bad. He's out of the rotation (never was in it) and the most minutes he's played in a single game this season was 8. He's shooting 30.8% from the field so far and has more total fouls (12) than total points (11).
Posted on 12/29/22 at 12:04 pm to CP3forMVP
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Johnny Davis
Raises hand as someone who thought he was a solid high floor, low ceiling and low risk guy who could likely step in and contribute as bench option.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 2:47 pm to Solo
Dyson played very well against Minny last night. He grabbed a huge OREB which led to the Zion winning FT. He then guarded ANT the next possession very well preventing him from making the game winning basket. The fact that Dyson was guarding their best player in that position of the game speaks volumes about how much this coaching staff trusts him.
Posted on 4/3/23 at 7:14 am to oncealurker
This is post All-Star break. Kessler averaging 13, 11, and 3.5 blks on 74% shooting
Posted on 4/3/23 at 8:38 am to CP3forMVP
On man would he look good in a Pels jersey. Hopefully things click with Dyson next year a bit more. He’s still young.
This post was edited on 4/3/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:09 am to CP3forMVP
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Another guy we didn't bring up is Johnny Davis, he's continued his run through Summer League and Preseason and has just been really really bad. He's out of the rotation (never was in it) and the most minutes he's played in a single game this season was 8. He's shooting 30.8% from the field so far and has more total fouls (12) than total points (11).
Davis has finally cracked the Wizards rotation and is actually starting to play well. He's played 30+ minutes in their last three games and is averaging 19, 6 and 3. Plus a steal and block on 50% from the field and 33% from three. Honestly happy for him.
Been 12 games since he started playing and is going for 10 pts, 4 rbs, and an assist on 43% from the field in 23 minutes.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:18 am to CP3forMVP
The wizards are tanking hard. I wouldn’t take stats from these games that seriously. I still think Davis has major issues.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:21 am to Pels_Yaz
He probably does, but he hasn’t been able to throw the ball into the ocean in like a year. I’m sure the performances are meaningful for him and his confidence, regardless of the losses.
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