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3pt stats for the season (12/14)
Posted on 12/14/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 12:51 pm
Pels are 20th at 35.7%
27th in attempts at 30.7 per game
27th in made 3s per game at 11
Individual stats
Matt Ryan 47.1% on 5.2 attempts
Trey 43.2% on 7.4
Naji 42.2% on 2.8
Jose 41.7% on 3.3
CJ 39.8% on 7.3
Val 37% on 1.8
Hawk 36.5% on 6.5
Herb 33.8% on 3.4
Ingram 29.8% on 4.3
Dyson at 23.9% on 2.8
27th in attempts at 30.7 per game
27th in made 3s per game at 11
Individual stats
Matt Ryan 47.1% on 5.2 attempts
Trey 43.2% on 7.4
Naji 42.2% on 2.8
Jose 41.7% on 3.3
CJ 39.8% on 7.3
Val 37% on 1.8
Hawk 36.5% on 6.5
Herb 33.8% on 3.4
Ingram 29.8% on 4.3
Dyson at 23.9% on 2.8
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 12:56 pm to whatiknowsofar
Those stats don’t mean much to me.
Trey just came back.
CJ missed a ton of time
Matt Ryan missed a ton of time
Check back at the end of the month with how we shot in December vs the rest of the league.
Trey just came back.
CJ missed a ton of time
Matt Ryan missed a ton of time
Check back at the end of the month with how we shot in December vs the rest of the league.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 12:57 pm to whatiknowsofar
Ingram has to take more.
We're only getting 9.8 3PAs between Zion, BI, Herb and JV.
That's 4 starters
Hell Tim Hardaway Jr. averages 9.1 3PAs
This just is not sustainable in 2023
We're only getting 9.8 3PAs between Zion, BI, Herb and JV.
That's 4 starters
Hell Tim Hardaway Jr. averages 9.1 3PAs
This just is not sustainable in 2023
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:02 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:
Ingram has to take more.
Trey needs to take more as he gets more minutes. He needs to be around 10 per game.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:25 pm to whatiknowsofar
Interesting to see if Naji and Jose hold up in the 40s- likely not but they both have started out strong.
And man Dyson has increased his 3s and decreased his percentage- hopefully that’ll improve but not a good sign.
Hawkins volume and spacing again is a reason he should get some more minutes on the floor.
And man Dyson has increased his 3s and decreased his percentage- hopefully that’ll improve but not a good sign.
Hawkins volume and spacing again is a reason he should get some more minutes on the floor.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:39 pm to Balsamic_duck
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Ingram has to take more.
you want the guy shooting 30% to take more?
He's right at 35% on catch and shoot 3's, and 21% on pull ups.
I'd say how about you don't ever take another pull up 3 for the rest of the season.
BI is hitting catch and shoot mid range shots at 60%, which is the equivalent of shooting 40% from 3 as far as efficiency goes, but he's only taking 1 a game.
Even his pull up mid range shots are at 50%, which is still more effecient than his 3 point shot.
Run more plays for him in the mid range, setting him free to hit an open jumper at 60%, or to get to the rim where he's shooting alost 80%.
That right there is enough to cause defenses to clog the lane and leave more open shots for CJ, Trey and others.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:40 pm to whatiknowsofar
Trey needs to be around 9
CJ needs to get to 9
BI needs to get to 6, ideally 7
Jose and Naji each around 4
Have those with Herb and Val taking around 6 per game and we would be golden hovering around 38-40 apg
CJ needs to get to 9
BI needs to get to 6, ideally 7
Jose and Naji each around 4
Have those with Herb and Val taking around 6 per game and we would be golden hovering around 38-40 apg
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:42 pm to MrBarry
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you want the guy shooting 30% to take more?
Yes. We all know he is a much better shooter than 30%. He'll regress to the mean there while opening up the floor for himself and others
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:46 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
Trey needs to be around 9
CJ needs to get to 9
BI needs to get to 6, ideally 7
Jose and Naji each around 4
Have those with Herb and Val taking around 6 per game and we would be golden hovering around 38-40 apg
This is the way
Posted on 12/14/23 at 1:52 pm to whatiknowsofar
Not good enough. Najis done well from 3 so far tho
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:14 pm to Soggymoss
I’m going to be honest. I hate that the nba has become a 3 point shooting contest. I’d actually prefer the following scenario.
A) Our Stars actually stay healthy and stop missing games
B) Our stars give more consistent effort on defense
C) We shoot the same number or less 3’s
If A and B happen, we naturally become a contender whether we shoot more or less 3’s
A) Our Stars actually stay healthy and stop missing games
B) Our stars give more consistent effort on defense
C) We shoot the same number or less 3’s
If A and B happen, we naturally become a contender whether we shoot more or less 3’s
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 2:24 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Dyson at 23.9% on 2.8
This is the only problem. Other teams leave Dyson wide open in the corner, and he really has to shoot those shots. Dyson is simply too good of a defensive weapon to sit on the bench, and Dyson's floater and touch at the rim has improved this season, but Dyson's bricked 3s are costing the team a lot of points.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 3:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Dyson's floater and touch at the rim has improved this season
As disappointing as his three-point shooting percentage is, even more disappointing is he's seemingly let his struggles from three stop him from looking for his floater in the lane, which had been really solid. Hopefully, his coaches are in his ear about that.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 5:15 pm to LSUgrad88
It's just a question of roster construction and whether you can live with it.
Zion and Brandon are going to get most of the shots. Neither of them makes a lot of three-pointers and while I guess you can tweak BI's shot profile, I don't think you can change his nature at this point. So there you are.
This suggests CJ, Herb and Val need to boost their attempts. Val I think you can only realistically ask for 3-4 attempts a game and that's pushing it. CJ can give you 8-10 which is great. Herb is the X factor. Of course he didn't come into the league as shooter, but that is a skill that can be improved. If he could give you 6-8 attempts--especially corner 3s--at somewhere close to 40%, that would at least give the Pels a decent analytics shot profile. Then your second unit can become a change of pace, three-point shooting second line anchored by Trey, Jordan and maybe Ryan, with Naji, Jose and Dyson supplementing. 35 attempts a game on average should not be unreasonable...
Zion and Brandon are going to get most of the shots. Neither of them makes a lot of three-pointers and while I guess you can tweak BI's shot profile, I don't think you can change his nature at this point. So there you are.
This suggests CJ, Herb and Val need to boost their attempts. Val I think you can only realistically ask for 3-4 attempts a game and that's pushing it. CJ can give you 8-10 which is great. Herb is the X factor. Of course he didn't come into the league as shooter, but that is a skill that can be improved. If he could give you 6-8 attempts--especially corner 3s--at somewhere close to 40%, that would at least give the Pels a decent analytics shot profile. Then your second unit can become a change of pace, three-point shooting second line anchored by Trey, Jordan and maybe Ryan, with Naji, Jose and Dyson supplementing. 35 attempts a game on average should not be unreasonable...
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 12/14/23 at 8:36 pm to New City Champ
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Herb is the X factor. Of course he didn't come into the league as shooter, but that is a skill that can be improved. If he could give you 6-8 attempts--especially corner 3s--at somewhere close to 40%, that would at least give the Pels a decent analytics shot profile.
Odd thing is...concerning Herb/Dyson...is that the #s say Dyson is a fairly solid 35.5% on corner 3s for his career & only 25.0% on 3s from beyond the break. While Herb has shown absolutely no big edge when shooting corner 3s...and in fact, is 34.8% from beyond the break and only 32.5% on corner 3s for his career. Sounds like, worst case...Dyson might should be standing in the corner & shooting open 3s while Herb becomes more of an out-front shooter & be allowed to take the ball to the hoop more often.
I won't go into the #s...but Herb (at least until this past game)...has been our 2nd best player taking the ball to the hoop & finishing or drawing fouls. His eFG% and especially his TS% (the true test)...have been amazing thus far this year.
Bottom line...I think Trey, Herb AND Dyson will eventually be the core of this team...and to become a serious contender...Pels MUST figure out a way to play with both Herb & Dyson on the court at the same time. I think they are pretty confident in Herb...& will give Dyson EVERY opportunity to develope his game.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:35 am to Dinky Mulberry
Just feels like Pels have been bucking the trend for a long while now. Z. Bi. Herb. Dyson. Val. Love 'em all, but that's a lot of non 3-point shooters in your core for the modern game.
Even a few years ago, the Pels made noises about 3-point shooting not being essential to an NBA offense. Foul shots and lay ups were the most efficient shots. I think they've come around on that point, as the drafting of Trey and Hawkins make clear. But when your two stars don't shoot threes (and don't defend) you are running uphill a lot of games...
Even a few years ago, the Pels made noises about 3-point shooting not being essential to an NBA offense. Foul shots and lay ups were the most efficient shots. I think they've come around on that point, as the drafting of Trey and Hawkins make clear. But when your two stars don't shoot threes (and don't defend) you are running uphill a lot of games...
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