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re: Bennedict mathurin
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:26 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:26 pm to Lester Earl
Mathurin at 4 for the Pels. Is it weird? Maybe but if you add in Griffins legit injury concerns it makes sense.
Mathurin is also significantly better off-ball. IMO he's the best off-ball player in the draft.
He's also a day 1 NBA shooter. Great C&S, great off screens moving left/right, DHO's, etc.
Here's a great scouting report on him.
LINK
Mathurin is also significantly better off-ball. IMO he's the best off-ball player in the draft.
He's also a day 1 NBA shooter. Great C&S, great off screens moving left/right, DHO's, etc.
Here's a great scouting report on him.
LINK
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 4:34 pm
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Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:30 pm to Jnola
If we stay at 8 or 9, I think Mathurin is the most likely guy to be our pick. And I'd certainly favor him over Griffin.
Griffin has way too many redflags. I would rather trade the pick than use it on Griffin.
Griffin has way too many redflags. I would rather trade the pick than use it on Griffin.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:31 pm to Kerchek
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Mathurin is also significantly better off-ball. IMO he's the best off-ball player in the draft.
Griffin is good off ball too. Really understands space & Angles
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He's also a day 1 NBA shooter. Great C&S, great off screens moving left/right, DHO's, etc.
So is Griffin. Who is a better pure shooter than Mathurin
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:32 pm to Kerchek
I’m cool with either. I really want to know Mathurins real height when he’s at the combine. He’s definitely not 6’7
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:37 pm to Kerchek
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I don't see him as a lottery pick.
Now there’s a hot take
Posted on 5/1/22 at 4:41 pm to Lester Earl
Griffin is not a better shooter than Mathurin.
Mathurin has two years of high-volume, highly efficient, difficult NBA level 3s. Dude shot 38% off screens.
Defenses game planned against him as the #1 option.
Griffin was like the 3rd option on that Duke team and primary shot C&S.
Mathurin has two years of high-volume, highly efficient, difficult NBA level 3s. Dude shot 38% off screens.
Defenses game planned against him as the #1 option.
Griffin was like the 3rd option on that Duke team and primary shot C&S.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 5:22 pm to Kerchek
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If his 3 doesn't fall he's a net negative on the court. I don't see anything here worthy of a lottery pick.
That’s a bit of a ridiculous statement. Start with the obvious, the guy shot 45% from three, so when is his shot not falling? Not very often, but even when it’s not that’s a guy that still does a ton for you offensively. If you have a guy that can shoot like that on the volume he did when he became a starter (Mathurin fits into this as well) then that’s a guy that could potentially offer you gravity, rather than spacing. That’s invaluable.
Beyond that he’s a very aware and willing offensive player. Willing cutter, willing passer, he’s a ball mover that limits turnovers and can create for himself. He’s really good from midrange with a variety of moves to score from there, like Jimmy Butler. He’s a developing PnR operator but he’s skilled 1-on-1. To say he’s a net negative if his 3 isn’t falling just shows a lack of knowledge of his game.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 5:22 pm to Kerchek
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Dude shot 38% off screens.
How do you knock c&s 3’s then act like this is great
Posted on 5/1/22 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
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How do you knock c&s 3’s then act like this is great
Griffin scored 1.56 points off screens per possession this season at Duke, Trae Young led the league with 1.42 points off screens per possession this season.
The guy really has no clue what he’s talking about.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 5:42 pm to supe12sta12z
I like TyTy he is a good facilitating guard which is what we need. But if we are high in the draft then definitely don't pick TyTy
Posted on 5/1/22 at 5:56 pm to CP3forMVP
Does anyone else have concerns about Griffin’s shot not being as effective in the league? The wide base makes his release a bit slow. Like I don’t think he and Mathy are the same kinda player
I prefer Mathy because I like his shooting versatility and his shot creation/athleticism with the ball in his hands
I prefer Mathy because I like his shooting versatility and his shot creation/athleticism with the ball in his hands
Posted on 5/1/22 at 6:04 pm to CP3forMVP
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Trae Young led the league with 1.42 points off screens per possession this season.
Side rant to this
Trae also only took like 30 of them…ALL YEAR.
Which to me, is evidence he is really being poorly utilized in Atlanta, and a big part of that is probably on Trae, who demands the ball in his hands. BUT, if he would embrace Curry-like role in the offense, where he plays a bit more off ball, using screens, cuts, pin downs etc. to spring open, Trae and his team would be so much more difficult and deadly.
Honestly, Graham is another that is too in love with creating his own shot off the dribble, if he shot off screens and C&S more, or almost exclusively, his numbers would look a lot different.
On topic, that guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about with Griffin.
6’6”, 7ft wingspan, athletic, big frame, can create his own shoot, shoot off the catch, the screen, has a budding mid range, moves the ball decently, and has all the tools and skills that simple improvement will keep him at the next level for a long time. I like Mathurin, but to put him in a class above Griffin is absurd
This post was edited on 5/1/22 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 5/1/22 at 6:30 pm to Bronc
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Side rant to this
Trae also only took like 30 of them…ALL YEAR.
Honestly I was surprised how low the numbers were across the board. Only 8 guys took 150+ throughout the year. 66 guys took more than 50.
Of guys who took 50+ Landry Shamet was at 1.29. If you move that to 100+ Terry Rozier led at 1:19.
If anything kind of tells me we are overvaluing guys ability to shoot off of screens.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 7:38 pm to Kerchek
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Dude shot 38% off screens.
Griffin shot 62% off screens lol
Griffin 45% off the dribble compared to Mathurin’s 33%
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Griffin is not a better shooter than Mathurin.
Brether, c’mon
Posted on 5/1/22 at 7:43 pm to DallasTiger45
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and his shot creation/athleticism with the ball in his hands
he totaled just seven successful drives to the basket on 134 pick-and-roll ball-handling possessions. He also shot 3-of-14 out of isolation for the season
How much he can sharpen his pull-up (33.0 percent), floater (28.9 percent) and playmaking ability (2.5 assists per game) will dictate his offensive trajectory as a spot-up player or featured scorer.
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Posted on 5/1/22 at 7:51 pm to Lester Earl
Another thing I will add, in terms of spacing, movement, angles, looping and sliding, Griffin is night and day better than Mathurin.
Mathurin stands ready in the triple threat waiting for the pass, I’ll give him that because you don’t see a ton of guys ready to receive the ball and either shoot or drive anymore, but Griffin is a master at moving without the ball. Looping, sliding, repositioning.
Trey was really good at it coming out last year, but Griffin is even better. Just always making himself available.
Mathurin stands ready in the triple threat waiting for the pass, I’ll give him that because you don’t see a ton of guys ready to receive the ball and either shoot or drive anymore, but Griffin is a master at moving without the ball. Looping, sliding, repositioning.
Trey was really good at it coming out last year, but Griffin is even better. Just always making himself available.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 7:55 pm to Lester Earl
Look at the angle of Griffin’s knees when he shoots…with that wide bade he puts a ton of lateral strain on his knee with every shot.
It’s unfortunate bc he is a really talented kid, but I doubt he is even on a lot of teams draft boards.
It’s unfortunate bc he is a really talented kid, but I doubt he is even on a lot of teams draft boards.
Posted on 5/1/22 at 8:00 pm to six4lsu
You can’t be serious
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