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re: Dyson vs Herb season long thread
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:37 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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He improved last year, and has just fallen off this year (3pt shooting at least).
His defense has fallen off too. All of his advanced stats are the worst since his rookie year.
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Posted on 12/22/25 at 1:56 pm to supe12sta12z
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Not really.... Dyson isn't going to suddenly be a good shooter. There's enough of a sample size to say he's probably going to be always be mediocre shooting who can get streaky. His free throw percentage is a good indicator. Now you can hope he becomes an outlier and buck the trend but I wouldn't gamble on that.
Without getting too deeply into the weeds...there's a fairly large "school of thought" that thinks Aussie players are, by and large, quite a bit below average on outside shooting due to the nature of their basketball training as they develope in their youth. Kinda the exact opposite of the European players.
Who knows...but it seems there's a whole bunch of really lousy Aussie shooters out there...in the NBA. VERY good players...but VERY bad...outside shooters.
FWIW: DD, for the season, is now down to 13.7% on 3s at 7-52 through 30 games. Being totally ignored at the 3-pt line...with "5s" guarding him more & more often...by just standing in the paint & daring him to shoot.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 2:31 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Come on, Willie is to blame for a good bit of stuff, but he's not to blame for shooting struggles for a guy that he hasn't coached in over a year. He improved last year, and has just fallen off this year (3pt shooting at least). That ain't on Willie.
you don't think his overall growth stunted because of willie?
Make a single mistake or miss a 3, he got pulled with a quickness and never left the bench quite often. Only forced to watch Hawkins, Marshall, and Alvarado do equally stupid things to play 5-10+ minutes compared to him.
Posted on 12/22/25 at 3:49 pm to htran90
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you don't think his overall growth stunted because of willie?
I think as soon as he left here the next season he made so much growth he was named the most improved player in the entire NBA. No, I do not think his growth two seasons removed has anything to do with Willie.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 1:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Missed the game last night, but looks like Dyson was a couple assists and Rebs away from a triple double. Also had three steals in a blowout W.
Guessing he played ok?
Guessing he played ok?
This post was edited on 1/8/26 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/8/26 at 2:40 pm to Townedrunkard
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Missed the game last night, but looks like Dyson was a couple assists and Rebs away from a triple double. Also had three steals in a blowout W.
Guessing he played ok?
I'd luv to have DD back with Pels...BUT...honesty compels to say that he has a MAJOR problem with his offensive game...and the Hawks are doing the exact opposite of what they should be doing...to help him with his problem.
I assume you know that he is now shooting 11.7% from 3-pt range for this entire season....and 30.2 for his career. His shot doesn't appear to be THAT bad or "broken" as they say BUT I think he probably has a pretty severe "mental" problem & now he basically just pretty much refuses to take even the wide open 3s.
The cure...if there is one...is for the Hawks to FORCE DD to take the open 3s...no matter how many he misses in a row. This is NOT a situation you want to allow to continue. At some point, it becomes VERY hard for a young player to come out of it. Regular season games mean little to nothing for a team like the Hawks at this point. MAKE THE GUY SHOOT THE 3 !!
Like I've said...I luv the guy and wish we could get him back...but...
Posted on 1/28/26 at 11:43 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Dyson last two games, both wins.
22 points 5 Rebs 9 assists 1 steal 1 block 66.7% against Pacers
15 points 6 Rebs 9 assists 5 steals
1 block 63.6 % against Celtics.
Just filling up the box score.
22 points 5 Rebs 9 assists 1 steal 1 block 66.7% against Pacers
15 points 6 Rebs 9 assists 5 steals
1 block 63.6 % against Celtics.
Just filling up the box score.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 1:30 am to Townedrunkard
That’s good because Hawks fans were getting mad recently. He went over a month without hitting a 3 which is crazy. I read that they changed something with his shot but maybe they should change it back because he’s shooting 11% from 3. He was at least +30% with the Pelicans.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:14 am to Townedrunkard
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Just filling up the box score.
Just regressing in every important statistic too.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 7:53 am to whatiknowsofar
The modern NBA is a stretch game. A guy like Dyson is always going to be a liability if he can't develop an average 3 point shot.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:46 am to saints5021
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The modern NBA is a stretch game. A guy like Dyson is always going to be a liability if he can't develop an average 3 point shot.
Anybody watch the Spurs/Rockets game last night? Amazing...playoff type game intensity-wise...especially in the 4th quarter...when Spurs put Wemby on the non-shooter Amen Thompson. Completely dominated the Rockets down the stretch and perfect example of WHY...you can't have a player like Amen (or possibly Dyson if he doesn't improve)...on the court in any playoff game. Simply "unplayable"...Rockets had NO answer...but their Coach didn't want to pull Amen and embarrass him...so they just took their beating.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:56 am to Dinky Mulberry
Dyson stats that are worse than last year
TS%
3p%
Points
Steals
Blocks
eFG%
DBPM
VORP
BPM
Not a good sign at 22 years old. His shot is broken and his defense has fallen off
TS%
3p%
Points
Steals
Blocks
eFG%
DBPM
VORP
BPM
Not a good sign at 22 years old. His shot is broken and his defense has fallen off
Posted on 1/29/26 at 10:08 am to whatiknowsofar
Just looking at his stats on basketball reference....
He went from 12-14-25 to 1-23-26, 20 games, without making a 3. He ended the streak by catching fire and caught fire and going 2-4 over the past two nights. He has made less than 10 three's on the entire year. That is wild.
I was of the opinion that his offensive game would %100 improve and I guess technically it would be hard to get worse than it is now but his 3pt shot this year makes me think he'll never be any type of decent threat on the offensive end.
Either way, I liked/like Dyson, but I am certainly glad we are not locked in to 100 million over the next four years with him.
He went from 12-14-25 to 1-23-26, 20 games, without making a 3. He ended the streak by catching fire and caught fire and going 2-4 over the past two nights. He has made less than 10 three's on the entire year. That is wild.
I was of the opinion that his offensive game would %100 improve and I guess technically it would be hard to get worse than it is now but his 3pt shot this year makes me think he'll never be any type of decent threat on the offensive end.
Either way, I liked/like Dyson, but I am certainly glad we are not locked in to 100 million over the next four years with him.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:41 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Just regressing in every important statistic too.
Scoring, assists, blocks, steals aren’t important now? You not this stupid I hope?
Herbs last ten games, he’s averaging 8 pts, on 36% shooting with 20% on threes….
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:56 pm to Townedrunkard
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Scoring, assists, blocks, steals aren’t important now? You not this stupid I hope?
Lol of course they are. Dyson has worse stats this year than last. And you know he does. Hes getting a couple more boards and assists. Damn near literally everything else is worse.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 5:26 pm to Townedrunkard
In the last 10 games Herb has played in, we’re 7-3 and haven’t lost by double digits once, including easily our 2 best wins of the season vs HOU/SAS. The 3 losses were against SAS/LAL/OKC.
Since the initial Herb injury on 11/21/25, the Pels are 3-20 in games Herb doesn’t play in. Wins vs CHI/WAS/BKN. 9 losses by double digits.
Basketball is played on 2 ends of the court and Herb is an exponentially better defensive leader than Dyson.
Since the initial Herb injury on 11/21/25, the Pels are 3-20 in games Herb doesn’t play in. Wins vs CHI/WAS/BKN. 9 losses by double digits.
Basketball is played on 2 ends of the court and Herb is an exponentially better defensive leader than Dyson.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 6:46 pm to ShamelessPel
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Basketball is played on 2 ends of the court and Herb is an exponentially better defensive leader than Dyson.
Dyson is playing a different role this year, he’s the primary playmaker, a role Herb isn’t capable of.
So Herb will definitely be 1st team all defense this year if it’s true he’s exponentially better right? Probably has to win DPOY for that to be corrrct…
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 7:11 pm
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