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ESPN Article on New CBA
Posted on 4/24/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/24/23 at 9:54 am
For the folks who have ESPN+ (I would paste whole article but I like being here 
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LINK
I will however post some snippets!
The new CBA increases the maximum in the first year of an extension from 120% to 140%.
The new CBA introduces two "apron" levels above the luxury tax line, where teams have to deal with not only harsher luxury tax penalties but also restrictions on what they can do with their rosters.
For 2023-24, the salary cap is projected to be $134 million, and the luxury tax line is set to be $162 million. While those numbers change every year based on league revenue, the apron levels do not. The first apron is set at $7 million above the luxury tax level in each season of the CBA (so $169 million for 2023-24) and the second apron is set at $17.5 million above the tax threshold (or $179.5 million).
Things get even worse for apron teams starting in the 2024 offseason when a team over the second apron will no longer be able to aggregate salaries to trade for a single player making more money. This rule would have prevented the Clippers from trading for Eric Gordon this past February -- a deal LA was only able to make by aggregating the salaries of John Wall ($6.5 million) and Luke Kennard ($14.4 million). Second apron teams will also no longer be able to use cash in trades. This would've prevented the Clippers from sending $3.8 million to the Bucks in February 2022 to shed the contract of Serge Ibaka (a move that saved LA $6.8 million in luxury tax payments).
Teams over the first apron but below the second apron will still be able to aggregate salaries, but they will not be able to take back more salary in a trade than they send out.
Finally, starting in 2025-26, there will be an increased penalty for teams that spend more than $10 million over the tax threshold. Under the new CBA, the Warriors' tax bill this season would have been $233 million instead of $170 million.
) LINK
I will however post some snippets!
The new CBA increases the maximum in the first year of an extension from 120% to 140%.
The new CBA introduces two "apron" levels above the luxury tax line, where teams have to deal with not only harsher luxury tax penalties but also restrictions on what they can do with their rosters.
For 2023-24, the salary cap is projected to be $134 million, and the luxury tax line is set to be $162 million. While those numbers change every year based on league revenue, the apron levels do not. The first apron is set at $7 million above the luxury tax level in each season of the CBA (so $169 million for 2023-24) and the second apron is set at $17.5 million above the tax threshold (or $179.5 million).
Things get even worse for apron teams starting in the 2024 offseason when a team over the second apron will no longer be able to aggregate salaries to trade for a single player making more money. This rule would have prevented the Clippers from trading for Eric Gordon this past February -- a deal LA was only able to make by aggregating the salaries of John Wall ($6.5 million) and Luke Kennard ($14.4 million). Second apron teams will also no longer be able to use cash in trades. This would've prevented the Clippers from sending $3.8 million to the Bucks in February 2022 to shed the contract of Serge Ibaka (a move that saved LA $6.8 million in luxury tax payments).
Teams over the first apron but below the second apron will still be able to aggregate salaries, but they will not be able to take back more salary in a trade than they send out.
Finally, starting in 2025-26, there will be an increased penalty for teams that spend more than $10 million over the tax threshold. Under the new CBA, the Warriors' tax bill this season would have been $233 million instead of $170 million.
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 9:59 am to 50_Tiger
The NBA is a broken system that is skewed to the rich markets. This will help, but small market teams will still get fricked when dipshits like AD force their way to a preferred team.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:06 am to saints5021
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The NBA is a broken system that is skewed to the rich markets
They're doing as much as they can. Player want to play in certain markets. There's nothing that can stop it. They will take less money to get to those markets, if necessary (and if they REALLY want to be there).
Even in the league of parity, the NFL, small markets and ownerships who aren't mega rich are at structural disadvantages. They are severely restricted in being able to give guaranteed salaries, signing bonuses, etc.
There are just some things that can't be changed.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Should we rehash the yearly no max salaries/no cap/no draft discussion?
Even in the league of parity, the NFL, small markets and ownerships who aren't mega rich are at structural disadvantages. They are severely restricted in being able to give guaranteed salaries, signing bonuses, etc.
There are just some things that can't be changed.
It would solve it, although slightly a radical idea...slightly
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:31 am to saints5021
Warriors had the highest payroll ever while playing in Oakland. It’s all about if your cheap arse owner will spend extra money or not, and I don’t think we have that. We’re the only team or only 1 of 2 teams that have never gone into the luxury tax.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:43 am to saintslsupels
quote:So Oakland is a small market similar to NOLA? Metropolitan area does not count? California is similar to Louisiana?
Warriors had the highest payroll ever while playing in Oakland. It’s all about if your cheap arse owner will spend extra money or not, and I don’t think we have that. We’re the only team or only 1 of 2 teams that have never gone into the luxury tax.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:15 am to saintslsupels
Youre not wrong and its clear Ms Gayle is cheap as frick when it comes to the Pelicans and ill stand by that until proven otherwise.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:16 am to saintslsupels
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Warriors had the highest payroll ever while playing in Oakland.
Really?
Chase Center
Address: 1 Warriors Way, San Francisco, CA 94158
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:17 am to TigerinATL
That photo makes me so sad. SF is actually really a beautiful area ruined by poop, homeless, *insert numerous items*
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
They’ve been in San Fran for 3 years and had the biggest payroll while they were still in Oakland.
Do you have a reason why we’re the only or one of the only small market teams to never spend into the luxury tax?
Do you have a reason why we’re the only or one of the only small market teams to never spend into the luxury tax?
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:26 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
Youre not wrong
He started out acting as if the #6 media market in the nation and NOLA were comparable. That's about as wrong as you can get.
quote:
its clear Ms Gayle is cheap as frick when it comes to the Pelicans and ill stand by that until proven otherwise.
Define cheap as frick.
- Jeff Bower and a highlight subscription service used to be the scouting department.
-Gayle Benson replaced Dell Demps by hiring the top 2 GM candidates on the market...at the same time.
- The Pels have never had more coaches on staff.
- They paid tens of millions to upgrade the practice facility.
- As much as we hate on Aaron Nelson on this board, Tom gave the Pels the Saints assistant trainer to be their head trainer. Gayle let Griff spend a lot of money to hire Nelson and spent millions more to upgrade the already recently built practice facility.
There's a world of difference from my owner is cheap as frick and my owner won't pay the tax unless they're contenders. Gayle Benson is not cheap as frick, and we honestly have not gotten into a situation to justify the tax yet, although we are close.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:28 am to TigerinATL
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Define cheap as frick.
In direct comparisons to the Saints who perpetually kick the can down the road and "go for broke" even when DB9 and CSP left them vs the no spend at the trade line, will never go above the tax threshold tells me everything I need to know about where the real money is spent.
Lets not even begin to start about the fan experience in the Dome vs the Blender.
---Edit---
To directly address your points ATL
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-Gayle Benson replaced Dell Demps by hiring the top 2 GM candidates on the market...at the same time.
- The Pels have never had more coaches on staff.
- They paid tens of millions to upgrade the practice facility.
- As much as we hate on Aaron Nelson on this board, Tom gave the Pels the Saints assistant trainer to be their head trainer. Gayle let Griff spend a lot of money to hire Nelson and spent millions more to upgrade the already recently built practice facility.
Was all done to get New Orleans Basketball in general in a better light with the NBA as it was viewed as a "less than desireable" franchise.
Congrats she brought it to the bare minimum of NBA standards.
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:41 am to saintslsupels
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They’ve been in San Fran for 3 years and had the biggest payroll while they were still in Oakland.
San Fran/Oakland is a combined metro area. Just because the arena was in Oakland doesn't mean they weren't getting ticket and corporate sponsorship support from San Francisco.
quote:
Do you have a reason why we’re the only or one of the only small market teams to never spend into the luxury tax?
Shinn years don't count, he was a terrible owner, the team hasn't been good enough in the Benson era to justify paying the tax but Gayle has shown a level of investment we haven't seen before, so don't count her out because it hasn't happened in the past.
And don't think I'm saying she's a saint, no pun intended. The NBA economy has changed drastically in the last 10 years. She has invested more than anyone else in the team because the team is bringing in more money than ever. But that's exactly why you shouldn't assume she would never pay the tax. Small market teams should be able to dip their toe in the tax and remain profitable long term. The Pels will probably never be in the repeater for very long or over the new 2nd tax apron, but anyone saying it's not happening ever is basing that assumption on a lot of old history that just is not relevant in 2023.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:42 am to TigerinATL
We practically didn’t have a scouting until we hired David Griffin, why are you defending that? With that being said, medical staff, training staff, things like that are small expenses compared to luxury tax.
When small market teams are consistently losing, it’s not because they play in a small market, stop making bullshite excuses. It’s because the ownership doesn’t want to spend the money it takes to hire the right management and pay the right players what their market value is.
It’s weird seeing people white night for Gayle Benson.
When small market teams are consistently losing, it’s not because they play in a small market, stop making bullshite excuses. It’s because the ownership doesn’t want to spend the money it takes to hire the right management and pay the right players what their market value is.
It’s weird seeing people white night for Gayle Benson.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:42 am to 50_Tiger
quote:
Congrats she brought it to the bare minimum of NBA standards.
That's kind of a big fricking deal.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:54 am to saintslsupels
quote:
We practically didn’t have a scouting until we hired David Griffin
And who hired Griffin? Gayle Benson. You keep acting like all of the owners have run the team the same, but they have all acted very differently. Even Gayle has been very different than Tom.
quote:
It’s weird seeing people white night for Gayle Benson.
I'm not white knighting, I'm giving credit where credit is due. There just is a stark contrast in behavior and investment level between the different owners, so I'm not going to pretend they're all the same. I'm also not trying to prove the point that the team is as cheap as it's always been and will never pay the tax, you are. I just think your case is built on a flawed foundation that leads you to a flawed assumption.
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:03 pm to TigerinATL
It took Anthony Davis demanding a trade and embarrassing the franchise for Gayle to go from under funding the company to the bare minimum.
You keep saying I’m confusing two different owners, I’m clearly not. The Bensons got an NBA franchise for very cheap and they haven’t done enough to make it relevant. They need to put their money where their mouth is and actually spend into the tax.
One thing that’s obvious is teams who consistently win spend into the luxury tax. What I’m saying I don’t think the Pels ever will, and eventually we’re gonna lose good players because of that.
Friendly reminder that the Bensons bought the franchise 10 years ago, and not in 2019.
You keep saying I’m confusing two different owners, I’m clearly not. The Bensons got an NBA franchise for very cheap and they haven’t done enough to make it relevant. They need to put their money where their mouth is and actually spend into the tax.
One thing that’s obvious is teams who consistently win spend into the luxury tax. What I’m saying I don’t think the Pels ever will, and eventually we’re gonna lose good players because of that.
Friendly reminder that the Bensons bought the franchise 10 years ago, and not in 2019.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:06 pm to saintslsupels
Wait they bought the team ELEVEN years ago. That’s over a decade of being bad. One playoff series win since the Bensons took over. Maybe some of y’all need to raise your standards because the way the team has played and the small amount of money Gayle has invested in the franchise isn’t getting the job done.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:07 pm to TigerinATL
quote:I'd argue the 2 aren't mutually exclusive.
That's kind of a big fricking deal.
It is a big deal that she brought us up to minimum NBA standards, but I don't think that you can then also say that shows she's not cheap.
I think it can be both.
Posted on 4/25/23 at 7:50 am to saintslsupels
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Maybe some of y’all need to raise your standards
Are we not in the worst NBA market (by many measures)?
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