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Posted on 12/27/15 at 12:30 pm to GynoSandberg
It really is. Perfectly sums up everything.
I'm definitely ready to move on from this era.
I'm definitely ready to move on from this era.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 12:51 pm to Fun Bunch
I'd say ryno has worked fine
Jrues playing really well and let's hope he truly becomes the building block most hoped for.
I wouldn't be shocked if they get 2 firsts out of ryno/EG(albeit later ones)
This team can restructure fairly quickly
Jrues playing really well and let's hope he truly becomes the building block most hoped for.
I wouldn't be shocked if they get 2 firsts out of ryno/EG(albeit later ones)
This team can restructure fairly quickly
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:04 pm to LosLobos111
There are two mistakes that if we addressed appropriately would have resulted in less mistakes to correct those idiotic moves
1. Drafting Rivers
2. Trading for Tyreke
You would have kept your 1st rounder because your former center, who is only getting paid 2.5mil more than your current center, would be on the team.
You could have rewired that 11mil per year to facilitate a trade for a SF, your WEAKEST area. Oh look, Nic Batum was pretty much traded for scraps and getting paid 11.5mil. It will be more of course, but so will all the other players.
1. Drafting Rivers
2. Trading for Tyreke
You would have kept your 1st rounder because your former center, who is only getting paid 2.5mil more than your current center, would be on the team.
You could have rewired that 11mil per year to facilitate a trade for a SF, your WEAKEST area. Oh look, Nic Batum was pretty much traded for scraps and getting paid 11.5mil. It will be more of course, but so will all the other players.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 1:22 pm to htran90
Batum was a one year rental for them. He's a FA next. They had to give up Vonleh, who hasn't done much but I believe he was the youngest guy in his rookie class
Posted on 12/27/15 at 5:08 pm to GynoSandberg
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Batum was a one year rental for them. He's a FA next. They had to give up Vonleh, who hasn't done much but I believe he was the youngest guy in his rookie class
The way he continues to play, he'll be worth the contract and you have his bird's rights.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:08 pm to LosLobos111
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I'd say ryno has worked fine
Jrues playing really well and let's hope he truly becomes the building block most hoped for.
I wouldn't be shocked if they get 2 firsts out of ryno/EG(albeit later ones)
This team can restructure fairly quickly
Ryno was fine but I will very upset if we end up not getting anything of value for what has been our best FA signing in the Demps era.
I like Jrue and if he keeps it up and stays healthy he may be worth keeping long term, but he is still in that realm of players like Dragic, Batum and Mozgov. Guys that are key cogs but don't require giving up 2 early lottery picks to acquire.
Evans, was a bad acquisition but Jrue wasn't much better IMO.
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:11 pm to NOLA Bronco
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Jrue wasn't much better IMO.
Jrue, assuming health, is a vital part of this team going forward. He's a terrific defender, and he can score at opportune times.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:33 pm to VOR
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Jrue, assuming health, is a vital part of this team going forward. He's a terrific defender, and he can score at opportune times
Doesn't make the decision to give up two early lottery draft picks a good one.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:34 pm to VOR
Jrue is a really good 1 v 1 defender, but he is very undisciplined off the ball. Gambles too much and gets burned quite a bit. He has the ability to be an elite defender, he just needs to be smarter out there.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 6:47 pm to NOLA Bronco
I'll take him over an average(at best) NBA center and a pick that might be another rivers.
Its better to get draft picks now to take advantage of cheap deals throughout ADs max
Its better to get draft picks now to take advantage of cheap deals throughout ADs max
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:36 pm to LosLobos111
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I'll take him over an average(at best) NBA center and a pick that might be another rivers.
Its better to get draft picks now to take advantage of cheap deals throughout ADs max
I would say Noel is more then an average NBA center when he is playing his natural position but thats another argument.
I don't think it is wise to give up the rare opportunity few franchises find themselves in where they find a superstar in their first rebuild year and have the opportunity for 2-3 more early lottery picks to go with him. All for a guy that has been injured more then healthy and we still don't know what we actually have.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:04 pm to NOLA Bronco
Those lottery picks likely weren't 2nd or 3rd bananas that the team badly needs(Jrue hopefully with what he's shown lately is turning into the latter)
If we get 1-2 more extra picks by moving guys we can have possibly 3 first rounders and a high 2nd.
a guy like Brown/Murray/Skal/Dunn etc plus guys like Lavert/Valentine/Zimmerman etc later can instantly provide a possible 2nd star and role players who'll be cheap throughout ADs max.
If we get 1-2 more extra picks by moving guys we can have possibly 3 first rounders and a high 2nd.
a guy like Brown/Murray/Skal/Dunn etc plus guys like Lavert/Valentine/Zimmerman etc later can instantly provide a possible 2nd star and role players who'll be cheap throughout ADs max.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:41 pm to LosLobos111
The problem was that there were 2nd and 3rd bananas to be had in those drafts. Dell and the other GM's just didn't realize it at that time.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:22 am to LosLobos111
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Those lottery picks likely weren't 2nd or 3rd bananas that the team badly needs(Jrue hopefully with what he's shown lately is turning into the latter)
If we get 1-2 more extra picks by moving guys we can have possibly 3 first rounders and a high 2nd.
a guy like Brown/Murray/Skal/Dunn etc plus guys like Lavert/Valentine/Zimmerman etc later can instantly provide a possible 2nd star and role players who'll be cheap throughout ADs max.
2013: Nerlens Noel, CJ Mccollum, Giannis Antetokounmpo and Dennis Schroeder.
2014: Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Marucs Smart, T.J. Warren.
You don't get the opportunity to find a Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook, James Harden or Tim Duncan very often when you have your superstar in hand. And you don't find them in FA.
Jrue, sorry to say, has not and currently is not the type of player worth two possible top 5 draft picks(remember, the Jrue holiday trade signaled our intention to rebuild fast and thus our draft position the following year was likely affected). Are you guaranteed to hit? Absolutely not. But you don't throw the opportunity away for the type of player that can be acquired almost any season with the right combo of assets that don't need to be high lottery picks. I like Jrue, I hope he ultimately works out and stays healthy, but no sane GM would make that trade again.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 1:26 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 1:50 am to NOLA Bronco
Rudy Gobert in 2013 as well.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 2:07 am to NOLA Bronco
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2013: Nerlens Noel, CJ Mccollum, Giannis Antetokounmpo and Dennis Schroeder.
Could have had them all, but CJ McCollum would have overlapped at "SG" with EG and Rivers unfortunately.
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2014: Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Marucs Smart, T.J. Warren.
Had no shot at any of those 4 at all.
Not having the 2013-2014 picks honestly would not have mattered to me IF we hit on the 2012 like we should have since everyone and their mom knew Rivers was putrid.
Following that up with sending away RoLo for a black hole called Tyreke, then responding by sending ANOTHER 1st round pick for Asik instead of someone else like Greg Monroe because Stiesma and co plan failed, followed by signing Asik to a big contract, and now getting a head coach who requires a smart PG a contract instead of a handful of other qualified guys who are doing a hell of a lot better.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 2:11 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 6:15 am to htran90
Greg Monroe has killed the bucks defense.
Even if the jrue/reke trades didn't happen they'd still win 30-35 games with AD improving alone,you'd have to tank which was against the culture that's being built.
About the guys drafted:
Hindsight obviously plays a role in those deductions. Save for CJ they all would've been huge reaches and really only giannis could've been a possible 2nd or 3rd guy but who knows how he would've worked here.
Wiggins is the only one of those 4 that's proven themselves to some degree.
The talent level in the upcoming draft seems to be higher end compared to the 13/14 drafts.
Even if the jrue/reke trades didn't happen they'd still win 30-35 games with AD improving alone,you'd have to tank which was against the culture that's being built.
About the guys drafted:
Hindsight obviously plays a role in those deductions. Save for CJ they all would've been huge reaches and really only giannis could've been a possible 2nd or 3rd guy but who knows how he would've worked here.
Wiggins is the only one of those 4 that's proven themselves to some degree.
The talent level in the upcoming draft seems to be higher end compared to the 13/14 drafts.
Posted on 12/28/15 at 11:15 am to LosLobos111
If we didn't make the Jrue or Tyreke trade and Gordon and Davis still ended up as hurt as they did we very likely got a top 5 pick.
We only won 34 games that season and that was with Demps really trying to improve the team to win now. Heck had we won just one less game we would of gotten Wiggins.
We only won 34 games that season and that was with Demps really trying to improve the team to win now. Heck had we won just one less game we would of gotten Wiggins.
This post was edited on 12/28/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 12/28/15 at 12:40 pm to NOLA Bronco
While not having a pick in the 2014 draft sucks, I'm a fan of having Jrue on the roster and think he'll be a key cog moving forward.
However, with Evans, the more I watch the more I really don't like that deal. Vasquez would have been a solid backup or someone we could have flipped later. Same goes for RoLo that season. Heck because of not having him we have Asik (who I don't mind as much as others)...
I do think that tanking is out of the question for me and for this franchise. I don't think it's the mindset. I'm also overly optimistic and think that we are starting to gel and will begin to turn some heads. We are 5-5 in our last 10 which wouldn't appear so bad if we didn't start 1-12. Also, I think we have some legit chances at acquiring some good pieces next year to really balance out the roster (Dellavedova, Morrow, and Batum for example).
However, with Evans, the more I watch the more I really don't like that deal. Vasquez would have been a solid backup or someone we could have flipped later. Same goes for RoLo that season. Heck because of not having him we have Asik (who I don't mind as much as others)...
I do think that tanking is out of the question for me and for this franchise. I don't think it's the mindset. I'm also overly optimistic and think that we are starting to gel and will begin to turn some heads. We are 5-5 in our last 10 which wouldn't appear so bad if we didn't start 1-12. Also, I think we have some legit chances at acquiring some good pieces next year to really balance out the roster (Dellavedova, Morrow, and Batum for example).
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