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re: JJ Comments on ESPN about BI, Zion, and potential trade chatter
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:54 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:54 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Overall I do not understand the length that either have stayed out. Bi was out so long when he jammed his toe. The one that really surprised me was when he got hit in the face by Naji. I thought he would go to the lockerroom and come back to the court that game. Heck, AD went off in a wheel chair after getting elbowed in the head and played 2 nights later. I think our staff plays it a bit cautious too often.
To be fair BI injuries and setbacks werent as severe as Zion. BI still played in over 40 games. Zion played in 0 or less than 30 games in other seasons. BI was also available at the end of the season/playoffs. My point is not completely fair to lump BI in here with Zion. BI has his health issues but Zion is literally missing the whole season or playing a quarter of it.
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Posted on 6/14/23 at 3:56 pm to NOSHAU
Maybe- but with BI it was reported that its his decision to stay out and staff cleared him a while back. Even with Zions hammy we were told it was Zions decision since he didn’t feel like Zion. We can’t really put stuff like that on the training staff.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:02 pm to Pels_Yaz
Can we pull a trade for Bradley Beal off? We have the ammo but he gets paid 46m a year so it probably means CJ would have to go in return which Griff won’t do. Also means you pick up Jax’s option and/or get Lively in the draft. He gets paid a lot and has a no trade clause so he can control where he goes and how much they get in return so he should be cheaper than he normally would be
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:04 pm to PrayingMantis
You want to trade for a 30 year old guard making 46 mil in the new CBA?? Umm no thanks. I really like Beal but that contract with no trade clause is absurd.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:04 pm to PrayingMantis
Probably can’t happen but a Beal Ingram Trey Zion Jax/Lively lineup scores 120 a game easily
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:06 pm to PrayingMantis
Sounds great 4 years ago.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
We would be going all in now with this trade. Basically a 2-3 year window then have to blow it up. Just spitballing here but I like it more than trading Zion BI or Trey
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:11 pm to PrayingMantis
More like 1-2 years but itll be really hard to add to that team at all with Beals salary. I mean you have to believe they can win it all by doing that. By the way Beal has had his own injury issues in Washington. I mean ask yourself this could we beat nuggets with that team? I dont see it. Plus you’re also sacrificing extensions and long term deals for Trey and Herb.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:14 pm to Pels_Yaz
Btw how is 30 old in todays NBA? It’s not the 80s anymore. Also the age argument doesn’t work because he is the same age as CJ. This is strictly a money problem. CJ and JV at ~45 mil a year or Beal at 46. I just think now might not be a bad time to go all in and strike now. This season had way more parity than I can remember. If Denver is the standard then I think a Beal BI Zion Trey core can beat a Jokic Murray Gordon Porter core
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:14 pm to Fun Bunch
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He’s more responsible than anyone for the Pels for even being in the play-in game. His play down the stretch was unbelievable. He turns 26 in September just entering his prime.
Yeah, JJ, he’s the keeper for sure.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:23 pm to PrayingMantis
Are you banking on jaxson/nance playing center or some rookie? Without JV we lose all rebounding honestly. It just seems like a championship or bust mentality with absolutely no long term goal. I get it but its again banking on everyone being healthy in a year or two with no team development or progression. Almost like pels would have to make like crazy Heat like run to finals in a year or two without any experience together. Plus according to championship stats we’ll need Zion to win mvp as well for us to actually win it all according to recent historical data.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:26 pm to Soggymoss
That’s probably true, but I don’t think that “shutdown” happens without Zion breaking his thumb. We still would’ve gone for the play ins and probably made them tbh.
In a weird way, it worked out and we got Trey Murphy and Herb Jones in that draft, so it probably wasn’t the absolute worst thing. But I still chalk up missing the playoffs that year to Zion’s health and playstyle. That and he and Ingram just blatantly did not play defense that season.
In a weird way, it worked out and we got Trey Murphy and Herb Jones in that draft, so it probably wasn’t the absolute worst thing. But I still chalk up missing the playoffs that year to Zion’s health and playstyle. That and he and Ingram just blatantly did not play defense that season.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 4:52 pm to Pels_Yaz
The goal of this lineup is to outscore everyone. Rebounding would be a clear weak spot. Honestly I’m already over it tbh. I will always say that this team needs a rangy long center like Bam. Zion, BI and CJ driving to the hoop and having no option for a alley oop pass really puts a ceiling in this team. You have to bounce pass which JV catches like half the time. I like JV a lot but I don’t like how he fits with our team. It’s a damn shame Jax is literally 2-3 iq points above a retard because he in theory works perfectly with this team. He has the athletic ability to catch lobs and switch to guard smaller players to stop pick and roles but he just doesn’t get it and probably has the least motivation to get better that I’ve seen in a while
Posted on 6/14/23 at 5:10 pm to PrayingMantis
Whats sad is how many decent players we passed up to draft Jax. Like Herro, clarke, poole, grant williams, etc. Griff stresses importance of mindset but he really missed the boat when drafting him. Great athletic ability but extremely low IQ
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
Yep that’s not even mentioning if we stayed at 4. Literally the worst case scenario played out in that draft. We are lucky we got Trey and Herb in that draft
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Like Herro, clarke, poole, grant williams, etc
None of them are really anything special. Herro's flashy but a poor defender. That really ended up being a 3-man draft: Zion, Ja, and Garland. We missed on Garland for several reasons, but the main one was probably that we thought we had our PG for the future in Lonzo Ball. Anyway, once Griff passed on Garland, we weren't going to get anyone who would make a major impact. Jax was as likely to succeed as any of them.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 6:15 pm to GOP_Tiger
I mean you can say that but they’re pretty important contributors to their team with major rotation minutes. Jax literally gets DNPs on the bench. For a number 10 pick that was a pretty big whiff. I think your letting Griff off the hook if you think drafting Jax that early and him being a bust wasnt a big mistake. All the guys I mentioned could significantly help our team.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 9:13 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I mean you can say that but they’re pretty important contributors to their team with major rotation minutes. Jax literally gets DNPs on the bench. For a number 10 pick that was a pretty big whiff. I think your letting Griff off the hook if you think drafting Jax that early
Correct. There’s a gaping hole at the 4. Even with the front office attempting to correct it by drafting a more mature player in EJ, a knee injury derails the back up plan.
Posted on 6/14/23 at 11:15 pm to shel311
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Honest question, if I said Zion basically played 2 out of 4 seasons healthy and near full seasons, would you not correct that?
Zion has played 37% of his four full seasons. Wyd are you talking about lol
Posted on 6/14/23 at 11:17 pm to shel311
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but still don't really disagree with JJ that if Zion is woefully out of shape right now at this moment, then I can't really argue against it.
This is the year. This is the one he finally gets it
Lololol
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