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re: Kira Lewis on the bench
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:02 am to BamaPelican
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:02 am to BamaPelican
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Kid was the youngest player in the 2020 draft and is still only 21,
is a silly excuse when he's only 4 months younger than Maxey, and played 2 years in college.
and Kira turns 22 today.
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Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:03 am to Pels_Yaz
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Maxey is just miles ahead of Kira which honestly you saw at Kentucky
Maxey’s career per 36 is 19/3/4 with shooting splits of 48/41/86. Obviously those are great and the Pels would love to have that guy, but Kira’s 15/4/5 career per 36 (18/5/4 on splits of 46/44/86 this year) aren’t far off.
Of course Maxey has played 5600 minutes vs Kira’s 1480.
***Notice in looking, today is Kira’s bday, he turns 22.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:05 am to BamaPelican
We could talk stats all we want or just watch them play. Maxey looks like a future all star and Kira honestly is not feared by defenses. I don’t think its even close. Maxey is a far superior player.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:10 am to Pels_Yaz
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or just watch them play
…..umm that’s the point of the thread
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:14 am to BamaPelican
Except you pointed out meaningless stats showing they’re comparable. They’re not at all. The fact you would throw that out there makes it laughable.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:22 am to LilWezyAna
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Naji is not a rotation level NBA player on any decent team.
He literally was when the pelicans were a decent team lol. The naji disrespect is back
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:22 am to Pels_Yaz
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meaningless stats showing they’re comparable. They’re not at all
Please explain to me what makes them meaningless? Were they not NBA games?
Is it because too many are “garbage minutes” and not enough significant minutes?
I would buy that except for 2 things:
(1) you can only play the minutes you are given, and
(2) when given decent minutes (see 20+ minute games) Kira has produced as well or better than in the “garbage minutes”.
Let me be 100% clear, at this point I would take Maxey over Kira every time, but the claim has been made that Kira is “just not good enough” and that’s why he is nailed to the bench and I also 100% think that the facts don’t back that up.
It may turn out to be a correct evaluation and Kira may be a bust, but on the performances we’ve seen to-date you also 100% can’t say that, because all the kid has done is produce and get better when given the opportunity.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:27 am to BamaPelican
We our offense goes stagnant for stretches at a time we need a guy like kira who can create an advantage rather than a guy like naji.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:32 am to BamaPelican
The fact you’re from Bama makes a lot of sense why you think Kira has this great potential. Kira at best is maybe a rotational player- why I would argue minutes him over Naji but constantly saying Maxey just had more opportunity and thats why hes better is a joke. Maxey, by far, is a better player its again laughable you compare their per 36 stats. Kira has had issues finishing when getting to the lane, is slow on defensive rotations, and has no discernible elite skill other than being really fast. Maxey is really fast and always finishes, very good defender and honestly at times can be an elite scorer.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:33 am to BamaPelican
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…..umm that’s the point of the thread
there's a reason one of them has played a lot more than the other, and i'm not talking about injuries.
I know it's hard for some of you to admit it, but Kira was a bust of a draft pick. And he may go somewhere else and become a decent backup in the league, but for us, he's a bust. He has no draft value, or value on the court for us after 3 years. Do you think he has the potential that Jalen Smith and James Wiseman have found after being traded?
And just to clear the record for some of you that think he was the youngest player that year, Killian Hayes won't turn 22 for another 3 months. ANd that's a guy that was injured most of his rookie year, but was able to find minutes in year 2 and 3, even though he's a bigger bust than Kira. You swap Kira and Killian, and you'd have Killian Hayes not finding the court over here, and Kira playing 20+ worthless minutes in Detroit.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:37 am to Pels_Yaz
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its again laughable you compare their per 36 stats
….literally the point of the per 36 stat is to normalize data for better comparison
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:41 am to BamaPelican
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because all the kid has done is produce and get better when given the opportunity.
if this was true, he'd be playing right now instead of racking up DNP-Coaches Decision.
I've said it many times back in his rookie year. If you're good enough to play, it doesn't matter who else is on the team, the coaches will find some minutes for you. We are a team without a PG, and he can't get minutes.
I don't know what you guys think you're seeing when he's out there, but if he was good, he'd be playing.
Philly and Boston weren't being nice to Maxey and Pritchard. They were playoff teams, but they knew those guys were good enough to contribute, and they earned their minutes likely on the practice court, and they found minutes to give them.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:42 am to BamaPelican
Except when they’re not comparable. Per 36 stats are silly because its assuming the player will continue to play at same rate as minutes increase which majority time is not true. And why risk losing games finding that out? Teddy is right we’re not damn pistons, we’re trying to get into the playoffs.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:42 am to Balsamic_duck
Naji is another guy who got hurt and hasn't been as good since he came back.
It kind of flew under the radar since he only missed maybe 1-2 games, but he's definitely been less effective.
Could be unrelated.
We just don't have great depth without Zion/Jose.
It kind of flew under the radar since he only missed maybe 1-2 games, but he's definitely been less effective.
Could be unrelated.
We just don't have great depth without Zion/Jose.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:47 am to ghost2most
I feel Jose made Naji better. To me obviously Zion was a big loss but man losing Jose decimated our bench, our energy, and made CJ play more on ball(which he sucks at). If he can come back we might have a punchers chance in the first round.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:52 am to ghost2most
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Naji is another guy who got hurt and hasn't been as good since he came back.
It kind of flew under the radar since he only missed maybe 1-2 games, but he's definitely been less effective.
Could be unrelated.
Naji has been sucking bc of mental mistakes not physical. Jose, CJ, and BI both had trouble shooting coming back from injury, but for the most part weren't making dumb mistakes (BI had some terrible turnovers in those first 5-10 games to be fair).
I love Naji's attitude early in the season, and think he brings value to this team at his contract amount, but he is borderline unplayable lately.
I put Kira in the same boat here, he makes some great plays and has hit some big shots, but he makes some big mental mistakes especially on defense we just can't afford right now.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:01 am to Pels_Yaz
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Per 36 stats are silly because its assuming the player will continue to play at same rate as minutes increase which majority time is not true
That’s why I added the second point above.
When played 20+ minutes he’s actually tended to play better. Unfortunately those almost all came in his rookie season…a whopping 5 since, even though he has appeared to have improved since his rookie year and the Pels have badly needed the spark at times.
As bad as the Pels have looked on offense at times and as bad as they have been blown out in some of those games, it is ridiculous that Willie hasn’t found more minutes for Kira. If he had we wouldn’t be having this conversation and we might have another PG that feels reliable in a playoff series.
Compared to Naji the stats are pretty glaring…Kira is equal or better in virtually every single significant statistical category, and is a dramatically more efficient scorer, yet Naji has played 1766 minutes to
Kira’s 235.
This post was edited on 4/6/23 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:08 am to lionward2014
The one thing i have always found odd about Kira is that he's never really been the PG on the court. He more often than not seems to be playing off the ball.
I think that is very telling, b/c it says the coaches don't trust him to be the primary ball handler.
where he has excelled in his time here is in transition, and when we are playing fast, which is common for a lot of young guys b/c that kind of game is more like AAU and there's less thinking out there.
I think a lot of guys have played better in our second unit when Jose is out there and is the leader on the court, and even more so when Zion is getting run with the second unit, obviously. You remove Jose from the equation and all of a sudden guys like Kira and Naji and Jax look rather worthless. Naji has done well playing with the starters when he's knocking down 3's and there's lanes to get to the goal b/c BI/Zion are creating them for him. without that help, Naji isnt' a good role player, and that can be said for a lot of role players. They need a leader out there to help them in their role.
And Kira's future is not going to be an off the ball offensive player that requires a PG to help him succeed, b/c if that's the case then small arse Kira is playing the 2, and he can't defend the 2 in the NBA. If he can't be a PG, his time in the NBA won't last long unless he becomes a better shooter and much better defender.
I think that is very telling, b/c it says the coaches don't trust him to be the primary ball handler.
where he has excelled in his time here is in transition, and when we are playing fast, which is common for a lot of young guys b/c that kind of game is more like AAU and there's less thinking out there.
I think a lot of guys have played better in our second unit when Jose is out there and is the leader on the court, and even more so when Zion is getting run with the second unit, obviously. You remove Jose from the equation and all of a sudden guys like Kira and Naji and Jax look rather worthless. Naji has done well playing with the starters when he's knocking down 3's and there's lanes to get to the goal b/c BI/Zion are creating them for him. without that help, Naji isnt' a good role player, and that can be said for a lot of role players. They need a leader out there to help them in their role.
And Kira's future is not going to be an off the ball offensive player that requires a PG to help him succeed, b/c if that's the case then small arse Kira is playing the 2, and he can't defend the 2 in the NBA. If he can't be a PG, his time in the NBA won't last long unless he becomes a better shooter and much better defender.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:12 am to BamaPelican
But here’s the problem no contending team will give Kira 20 plus minutes thats borderline ridiculous. Nor does he deserve it. Maybe 10 minutes yes.
Posted on 4/6/23 at 9:12 am to BamaPelican
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Kira is equal or better in virtually every single significant statistical category, and is a dramatically more efficient scorer, yet Naji has played 1766 minutes to
Kira’s 235.
except Naji is a much better defender, and is capable of defending multiple positions, unlike Kira who can only guard the opposing teams small PG, and he's not good at it.
Naji plays with confidence at all times, sometimes this is a bad thing and he tries to make things happen that aren't there, but his off the ball movement on offense and ability to get to the rim and finish are far greater in importance to the teams offense then Kira walking around doing much of nothing in the half court. If we aren't running at a high pace, you can forget Kira is even on the court on offense at times.
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