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re: NOP vs OKC
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:57 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 11/14/24 at 8:57 am to whatiknowsofar
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That's more on the offense being stagnant and bad coaching than ingram man.
Yes and no. Stars find a way to keep impacting the game. I agree the coaching sucks and the talent around him is subpar but players force the issue in some way. They demand the ball, attack the rim, draw fouls- BI knows hes the best player on the team. Every quarter he needs to be making an impact and if coaching is hindering you in this you challenge the coach.
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Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:03 am to Pels_Yaz
We are playing with BI, Trey, a rookie who just started playing basketball, and literally a team full of guys who won't be on an NBA roster much longer.
We've got two guys playing PG, who aren't PG's.
You think if you swapped BI with Jayson Tatum it would be any different? Tatum is not a PG, and asking him to play PG for the majority of his minutes wouldn't go over well, especially if he's playing with nobodies and has a bad head coach.
BI is top 20 in the league in 1st half scoring and is shooting 49% in these last 6 games with no help, adn that's him shooting 23% from 3 in the first half.
He's outside the top 60 in 2nd half scoring, and his shooting drops to 40%, and that's him shooting 42% from 3 in the 2nd half.
What's he's being asked to do against 2nd half defenses is never going to work, and all it's doing is wearing him down. I'm to the point where i don't even care if he plays in the 4th quarters anymore. Until he gets more help, CJ and Herb, i'd almost rather he not even play b/c this is pointless and he's just going to end up getting hurt.
We've got two guys playing PG, who aren't PG's.
You think if you swapped BI with Jayson Tatum it would be any different? Tatum is not a PG, and asking him to play PG for the majority of his minutes wouldn't go over well, especially if he's playing with nobodies and has a bad head coach.
BI is top 20 in the league in 1st half scoring and is shooting 49% in these last 6 games with no help, adn that's him shooting 23% from 3 in the first half.
He's outside the top 60 in 2nd half scoring, and his shooting drops to 40%, and that's him shooting 42% from 3 in the 2nd half.
What's he's being asked to do against 2nd half defenses is never going to work, and all it's doing is wearing him down. I'm to the point where i don't even care if he plays in the 4th quarters anymore. Until he gets more help, CJ and Herb, i'd almost rather he not even play b/c this is pointless and he's just going to end up getting hurt.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:15 am to TeddyPadillac
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We are playing with BI, Trey, a rookie who just started playing basketball, and literally a team full of guys who won't be on an NBA roster much longer. We've got two guys playing PG, who aren't PG's. You think if you swapped BI with Jayson Tatum it would be any different? Tatum is not a PG, and asking him to play PG for the majority of his minutes wouldn't go over well, especially if he's playing with nobodies and has a bad head coach
You’re absolutely right on all this. But I’m not asking BI to dominate and win. I’m asking him to do better. Yes and even with this garbage I would expect Tatum to do better than 18 points and 8 turnovers.
In regards to whats going on in the second half- this is happening game after game. They (BI and Willie) need to figure it out. The stats and your points are valid especially in regards to defenses adjusting in secind half. But you can’t just quit as a player and say screw it and settle for 18 points and continously turnover the basketball. He can be much better than hes shown in some of these games- even in the second half regardless if he wins or loses.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:44 am to TeddyPadillac
You put Tatum or any max star on this team, with this supporting cast, he'll score 30+ a game and dominate the boards. There are just different levels of players. Stars don't need help to put up numbers. They need help to win. Cam Thomas would get 25+ a game with this team. Ingram getting 18 and 8tos is not ok..
Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:45 am to Pels_Yaz
Pel, I don't disagree with you. But, the biggest problem is coaching and what that coach is asking him to do.
This is a poorly coached team with it's players not injured. No chance it's better coached with scrubs.
BI does bear some fault. I personally don't think he's a Max player, at least not on this team with this coach. But, he is very good. Not good enough to elevate a team of scrubs though.
We can look at a hundred different things, but this roster at this time is utter trash. Maybe a different coach could get more out of them, but WG ain't that coach.
This is a poorly coached team with it's players not injured. No chance it's better coached with scrubs.
BI does bear some fault. I personally don't think he's a Max player, at least not on this team with this coach. But, he is very good. Not good enough to elevate a team of scrubs though.
We can look at a hundred different things, but this roster at this time is utter trash. Maybe a different coach could get more out of them, but WG ain't that coach.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 9:49 am to ROUSTER
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This is a poorly coached team with it's players not injured. No chance it's better coached with scrubs.
So Green has to be great every game, no excuses.
Ingram can come and go depending on the opponent and health of his teammates. Sometimes it's just going to be too much for his to handle.
One makes less than 3M, the other over 30M. How does that make any sense?
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:07 am to ROUSTER
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BI does bear some fault. I personally don't think he's a Max player, at least not on this team with this coach. But, he is very good. Not good enough to elevate a team of scrubs though
I agree with you here. He’s a solid player who’s played better this season but its clear why hes never been and might never be an ALL NBA guy. If he lifted his play while playing with these scrubs it might have changed how hes viewed around the NBA.
In regards to Willie yeah I agree he sucks dick. He couldn’t squeeze orange juice out of an orange.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:12 am to Pels_Yaz
Shamit posted this below. This is exactly what I was referring to where BI can be better.
“Brandon Ingram has shot 81% at the rim this season, a career high mark and absolutely elite number. He's seeing only 16% of his attempts at the rim though, which is by far the lowest mark of his career.
Also by far his career low free throw rate.”
Its almost like he took out going to the rim for 3 pt shots instead of reducing his mid range shots.
“Brandon Ingram has shot 81% at the rim this season, a career high mark and absolutely elite number. He's seeing only 16% of his attempts at the rim though, which is by far the lowest mark of his career.
Also by far his career low free throw rate.”
Its almost like he took out going to the rim for 3 pt shots instead of reducing his mid range shots.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:23 am to brmark70816
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You put Tatum or any max star on this team, with this supporting cast, he'll score 30+ a game and dominate the boards. There are just different levels of players. Stars don't need help to put up numbers. They need help to win. Cam Thomas would get 25+ a game with this team. Ingram getting 18 and 8tos is not ok..
BI has scored 24+ in 4 of the last 7. He's not going to go off every night.
And as I said, he's 13th in the league in 1st half scoring during that time. I guess we should expect him to be top 5? expecting him to score 25+ every night is dumb, especially when he's playing the #1 defense in the league with ZERO HELP.
he's attempted 8+ 3's in 6 of those 7 games as well. Is that not what everyone wanted?
There's only 4 guys with a higher usage rate than BI during that time, Giannis, Luka, Lamelo, Franz Wagner, and BI has a higer eFG% than Franz and is just a percentage point below Luka at 51.3%
I specifically chose Tatum b/c Tatum is not a PG, nor does he play PG from time to time on that team. What BI is being asked to do is outside of what makes him a good player, and it would do the same to Tatum. Ask Tatum to bring the ball up the court the majority of time, with the opposing teams best defender picking him up full court and making him work just to get it past half court every single time. See how that affects his game. That kind of defense affects everyone. Remember how much Jose affected CP3 doing this in the playoffs? Every team is doing this to BI.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:29 am to TeddyPadillac
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That kind of defense affects everyone. Remember how much Jose affected CP3 doing this in the playoffs? Every team is doing this to BI.
Im sorry I think the Jose defense on CP3 was a little over rated. Did it really affect CP3. He still dominated us down the stretch and they won in 6 games. I think as Pels fans we really see that “Suns series” more than it was.
Sorry I know that wasn’t your main point. Im just tired of us losing in 6 games to a Suns being used as examples of great Pels basketball. No offense to your point though.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:30 am to Pels_Yaz
Career low in free throws attempts. He's simply isn't attacking the rim anymore.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:31 am to supe12sta12z
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Career low in free throws attempts. He's simply isn't attacking the rim anymore.
He basically swapped rim attempts for threes. The point was for him to exchange the middies for threes. I don’t know man. I really question who advises him on his game.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:32 am to Pels_Yaz
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“Brandon Ingram has shot 81% at the rim this season, a career high mark and absolutely elite number. He's seeing only 16% of his attempts at the rim though, which is by far the lowest mark of his career.
He can't get there. Every time he tries the whole defense collapses on him, and BI is not Zion. And he gets nothign from the refs when he does. Few games ago he got hacked violently across his arms where it was audible through the tv and no call. last night SGA fades away for a mid range shot and isn't even touched and gets the foul call. I guarantee you that's frustrating to BI. SHould he quit trying to get to the goal? Of course not.
Maybe if we'd go back to what worked well the first game or two when we drew up plays for him to get a mismatch and post up, we'd get more opportunities at the rim, but even that got challenging after teams adjusted to it and we seemingly quit trying that altogether.
all of these complaints about his game would be valid if he was playing with NBA players. I just don't think there's any point in nitpicking anythign he's doing right now b/c of the roster he's playing with. Give him 2 of the 6 guys that are out back and i'll be the first to point out the things i don't like that he's doing. But with this roster the last few games, this is all pointless.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 10:39 am to TeddyPadillac
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Give him 2 of the 6 guys that are out back and i'll be the first to point out the things i don't like that he's doing. But with this roster the last few games, this is all pointless.
Thats fair but we were also told he couldn’t shoot more threes without a legit point guard. That obviously isn’t true.
Now he can’t attack the rim because of the players around him and refs dont give him calls. Ok lets wait till the guys return but I dont think his rim attempts and him drawing fouls will change.
I think this is how he specifically has adjusted his game to take more threes. Probably to avoid contact and injuries. But again, lets see when other players return.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 10:40 am
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:10 am to Pels_Yaz
lost in the arse whipping and BI bashing, Theis got a DNP-Coaches Decision last night.
We've got 6 guys out, and a undrafted two way player got minutes at the 5 over Theis, and he was the only guy on the team that didn't have a negative +/- in this game.
Hilarious how so many of you thought he could even play for us much less be the starter. I'll remind all of you again after i said it multiple times already that he couldnt' even be the backup 5 in LAC or Indy the last 2 years and was getting DNP-CD. He's on this team to be the backup until Yves takes his spot, which he did. It's Griff's fault we started the season without a starting 5.
We've got 6 guys out, and a undrafted two way player got minutes at the 5 over Theis, and he was the only guy on the team that didn't have a negative +/- in this game.
Hilarious how so many of you thought he could even play for us much less be the starter. I'll remind all of you again after i said it multiple times already that he couldnt' even be the backup 5 in LAC or Indy the last 2 years and was getting DNP-CD. He's on this team to be the backup until Yves takes his spot, which he did. It's Griff's fault we started the season without a starting 5.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:16 am to TeddyPadillac
That has more to do with OKC playing a rotation of wings and guards. It's amazing Missi was able to cover the court as well as he did. It's funny because this is how Green and the Pelicans wanted to play coming into the season and OKC is showing you the blueprint.
But then again, Jemison got significant playing time.
But then again, Jemison got significant playing time.
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:21 am to TeddyPadillac
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Hilarious how so many of you thought he could even play for us much less be the starter. I'll remind all of you again after i said it multiple times already that he couldnt' even be the backup 5 in LAC or Indy the last 2 years and was getting DNP-CD.
Did many people actually think this?! I mean in reality if Missi didn’t progress as quickly as he did, I honestly think Pels would be forced to start him. I thought it was a dumb signing honestly. But yeah 11 games out of the rotation especially when we’re playing 2 way guys and feel like our starting center cant be productive is sooner than I thought.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:23 am to supe12sta12z
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But then again, Jemison got significant playing time.
He’s clearly one of “Willie’s guys” along with JRE.
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:57 am to Pels_Yaz
Shitty role player journeymen always have a soft spot in Willie’s heart. Reminds him of himself
Posted on 11/14/24 at 11:57 am to Pels_Yaz
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Now he can’t attack the rim because of the players around him and refs dont give him calls. Ok lets wait till the guys return but I dont think his rim attempts and him drawing fouls will change.
He's got 141 drives on the year, and only 9 fouls have been called on them. 6.3%
Anfrenee Simons and Jaden Ivey are getting more foul calls on drives than 6'8" BI.
Again, It's pointless to look at anything and care about it at this time b/c of the roster. It's no different than just throwing out every game played last year before the Lakers play in arse whipping b/c Zion was out of shape and lazy for those first 20 whatever games. I look at our stats during the games after that arse whipping and before BI got hurt for what the team actually looked like when playing healthy. That's the games this team (well last years team) expectations should be made from with the addition of Murray getting thrown into it.
This wasn't a foul. As AD says "KCP hit him so hard he hurt himself"
20 minute mark
This post was edited on 11/14/24 at 12:07 pm
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