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re: Pels resign Tim Frazier
Posted on 7/10/16 at 3:18 pm to Crewz
Posted on 7/10/16 at 3:18 pm to Crewz
Michael
would you agree that there are now more competent players than there are roster spots available around the league? I wouldn't be shocked if a young "name" frontcourt player agreed to a minimum deal in exchange for obvious PT and a chance to cash in next season
would you agree that there are now more competent players than there are roster spots available around the league? I wouldn't be shocked if a young "name" frontcourt player agreed to a minimum deal in exchange for obvious PT and a chance to cash in next season
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Posted on 7/10/16 at 3:27 pm to cgrand
I agree. It's why I was against the Solomon deal. I always knew the music would stop and that there would be bargain contracts to be had. I mean, we just got Galloway and Frazier for a combined 7 mil per. Clark and McAdoo went back to the Warriors at the min. Sleights got the min
Our issue is we really can't promise playing time and we aren't a contender, so if those guys are willing to take the minimim, they will take it from somewhere else.
Our issue is we really can't promise playing time and we aren't a contender, so if those guys are willing to take the minimim, they will take it from somewhere else.
Posted on 7/10/16 at 3:44 pm to Crewz
You don't think we have mins for a backup big
Posted on 7/10/16 at 3:54 pm to BSB1988
Not that we can guarantee without injury. Asik, Ajinca, and AD play every minute at C. AD plays 24-28 at PF. Hill and DC get the other 24 there. That's how it would look today. We know Hill will get some minutes there, so any guy we bring in has to beat out DC and our staff loves him
Right now, I would say Frazier, Galloway, Moore, QPon, DC, and Ajinca all figure to be in the rotation. How likely is it that this team will go to a 12 man rotation? And how likely is it that this new guy is gonna beat out DC?
Right now, I would say Frazier, Galloway, Moore, QPon, DC, and Ajinca all figure to be in the rotation. How likely is it that this team will go to a 12 man rotation? And how likely is it that this new guy is gonna beat out DC?
Posted on 7/10/16 at 4:06 pm to Crewz
Yea I guess there is no one who could be out DC that we could bring in for the min
Posted on 7/10/16 at 11:47 pm to Crewz
Real question here:
Why do you keep using Portland as a comparison?
Why do you keep using Portland as a comparison?
Posted on 7/10/16 at 11:54 pm to theducks
Answer the question though.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:04 am to tgr4ever
Other than Lillard, Crabbe has always been a jump shooter, prior to injury Henderson could create his own shot and was an alright SG in Charlotte. If there was anything we learned from the Portland Memphis Playoff series it was that CJ needed minutes, his talent was there. People forget he was injured his first two years in the league. Meyers Leonard is an offensive C. Aminu showed in Dallas that he's a good clean up guy. Then on top of all of that you have Lillard who makes it easier on all of the players I just listed to score. Bonus points for those guys.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:20 am to theducks
Crabbe averaged 3 points a game before this season. Aminu never showed the ability to hit 3s at the rate he did in Portland this season. Henderson was always mediocre, and he still was this past season. And don't tell me you expected CJ to explode this season and become one of the premier SGs in the L 
I can't believe you're disagreeing with MM here. I don't really like the dude but he is absolutely right in saying nobody on Portland proved shite before this past season.
I can't believe you're disagreeing with MM here. I don't really like the dude but he is absolutely right in saying nobody on Portland proved shite before this past season.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:30 am to tgr4ever
I'm not saying I expected them to be this good. I predicted 42 wins btw. But yeah just cuz Crabbe averaged 3 ppg on limited playing time. He was Pac 12 player of the year and was considered a 1st round prospect at Cal. Two years of experience under his belt and he turned into a good NBA player. He just needed development. CJ had potential for 20 ppg. Idk what's wrong there. Many thought he actually might be the best player in his draft. Henderson was a mediocre starter, good bench player.
If you're expecting your team to get better just because Portland did I wont be the first to tel you you're wrong. Portland had prospects they had developed for years. The Pels are year one into building their prospect farm now.
ETA: Portland was 12-20 at Christmas. There talks of tanking. If not for Lillard and CJ combining for 50 a night Portand doesn't have the success they did. I think the Pels will be a more balanced team.
If you're expecting your team to get better just because Portland did I wont be the first to tel you you're wrong. Portland had prospects they had developed for years. The Pels are year one into building their prospect farm now.
ETA: Portland was 12-20 at Christmas. There talks of tanking. If not for Lillard and CJ combining for 50 a night Portand doesn't have the success they did. I think the Pels will be a more balanced team.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 12:48 am
Posted on 7/11/16 at 12:36 am to theducks
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If you're expecting your team to get better just because Portland did I wont be the first to tel you you're wrong. Portland had prospects they had developed for years. The Pels are year one into building their prospect farm now.
They will likely be better because of health and a roster that has much better synergistic qualities and less feast and famine structure.
New Orleans is also in a situation where guys will be in their second year in a new system. That will provide growth in and of itself from key players like Jrue and AD.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:01 am to NOLA Bronco
I can get behind of this. I was just disagreeing that people think Portland was good offensively just because they had a bunch of hungry guys. As I posted above Portland was going to be fine offensively. Their strength was offense.
I think the Pels are opposite. They're going to struggle more offensively when Davis is off but they'll be a better defensive team. They have potential for a top ten defense IMO especially if Asik returns to being contributer and taking Cs away from banging with Davis for boards.
I think the Pels are opposite. They're going to struggle more offensively when Davis is off but they'll be a better defensive team. They have potential for a top ten defense IMO especially if Asik returns to being contributer and taking Cs away from banging with Davis for boards.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:29 am to theducks
Gentry managed to turn a mostly rag tag group of players into a 13th ranked offense by PPG. I think 15th or 16th OFF Rating.
I don't think it is unreasonable to think this upcoming group can't replicate that if healthy.
Top 10 would shock me but maintaining a top 15ish offense and borderline top 10 defense seems reasonable. Assuming mostly healthy.
I don't think it is unreasonable to think this upcoming group can't replicate that if healthy.
Top 10 would shock me but maintaining a top 15ish offense and borderline top 10 defense seems reasonable. Assuming mostly healthy.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:00 am to theducks
I think the Portland comparison is there because both teams are (will be) carried by two players. Lillard and CJ combined for 46 ppg last season, and were surrounded by a bunch of role players. I wouldn't be surprised if Jrue and AD combined for 45 ppg this season. They were at 41 ppg last season and Jrue was in a limited minutes situation.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:13 am to Epic Cajun
I can use other teams too. The Suns in Hornacek's first year. The Hornets/Bobcats the year before they got Lance. The Pacers, the first year they arrived on the scene wit Granger stepping up
There is a history in the NBA of teams being much greater than the sum of their parts on paper when the season began. Many Scott Skiles teams in their first year or two have done this as well
Basically, if you have hungry guys giving massive effort and a team with clearly defined roles, you can achieve this. Yes, Lillard and CJ were great, but the real key to that team was the lack of ego all the supporting players had. Similar to some of Iverson's Sixers teams
Galloway, Moore, Hill, etc- They are going to go out there every night and they won't care if they get two shots or 10, as long as they win. AD has not had guys like that next to him, outside of QPon for half a year. Now he has a bunch of guys like that, so he and Jrue can be selfish and get theirs, not worrying about having to feed the mouths of other chuckers
This team is worse "on paper" or in NBA 2K, but it is so much better in reality because roles are finally clearly defined
There is a history in the NBA of teams being much greater than the sum of their parts on paper when the season began. Many Scott Skiles teams in their first year or two have done this as well
Basically, if you have hungry guys giving massive effort and a team with clearly defined roles, you can achieve this. Yes, Lillard and CJ were great, but the real key to that team was the lack of ego all the supporting players had. Similar to some of Iverson's Sixers teams
Galloway, Moore, Hill, etc- They are going to go out there every night and they won't care if they get two shots or 10, as long as they win. AD has not had guys like that next to him, outside of QPon for half a year. Now he has a bunch of guys like that, so he and Jrue can be selfish and get theirs, not worrying about having to feed the mouths of other chuckers
This team is worse "on paper" or in NBA 2K, but it is so much better in reality because roles are finally clearly defined
Posted on 7/11/16 at 7:45 am to Crewz
I wouldn't say it's worse on paper. People outside of here don't realize how lazy ryno is on defense and how much of a black hole on offense he is at times.
EG became a very good shooter, his defensive effort was there but his lateral movement is gone compared to his early years.
We lost offense, but we signed guys who are smart, high iq basketball defenders. Moore is a good backup sg, knows defense very well, and can shoot the 3 ball at a decent rate when he gets the shot. Hill is the bigger unknown but a 10/5/2 season if he has the minutes is what I expect from him. Any less and it'll be bad.
Offense will be redistributed where needed, it always happens on any team you just hope it's efficient (unlike what we had in gee). Defense on the other hand, that is something you can't add on instantly
EG became a very good shooter, his defensive effort was there but his lateral movement is gone compared to his early years.
We lost offense, but we signed guys who are smart, high iq basketball defenders. Moore is a good backup sg, knows defense very well, and can shoot the 3 ball at a decent rate when he gets the shot. Hill is the bigger unknown but a 10/5/2 season if he has the minutes is what I expect from him. Any less and it'll be bad.
Offense will be redistributed where needed, it always happens on any team you just hope it's efficient (unlike what we had in gee). Defense on the other hand, that is something you can't add on instantly
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 7:55 am
Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:36 am to htran90
Just to be clear, it is "worse on paper" to the people who don't really understand the game. Which is about 90% of people who watch. They look at points per game and name recognition.
To all those people, this team is worse on paper. But everything else you said is correct. But leave this board and go talk to the casual fan who goes to the games and they will all tell you Eric Gordon is far better than Moore or Galloway because of points per game and where he was drafted
To all those people, this team is worse on paper. But everything else you said is correct. But leave this board and go talk to the casual fan who goes to the games and they will all tell you Eric Gordon is far better than Moore or Galloway because of points per game and where he was drafted
Posted on 7/11/16 at 9:40 am to Crewz
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But leave this board and go talk to the casual fan who goes to the games and they will all tell you Eric Gordon is far better than Moore or Galloway because of points per game
People say he is better because he is. It's not his fault the Pelicans continued to start him. Hes a guy that should be used as a scorer off the bench.
Posted on 7/11/16 at 10:06 am to dj30
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People say he is better because he is. It's not his fault the Pelicans continued to start him. Hes a guy that should be used as a scorer off the bench.
He is a better shooter for sure. However, they are both better defenders and Galloway is a better finisher.
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