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re: Queen is trash
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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We are almost at the point of needing a "to the studs" breakdown of our team and we don't have our 1st next year. That's a terrible place in which to find yourself when you're the 1st or 2nd worst team in the West, currently.
You are using micro-analysis on a macro-scale project. If we need to rebuild, one lottery pick isn't going to make that big of a difference. I've watched several teams do full rebuilds with zero draft capital. We have assets and a foundation now.
My issue has always been that I hate tanking and losing on purpose. I don't think it should ever be a plan or allowed. We are going to win 30+ games this year, and if we are in the lottery, it'll be out of the top 5. Losing a top 10 pick hurts. But it's not the end of the world. Very few contending teams built their teams in the high lottery. To make that the centerpiece of your plan is dumb.
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It has nothing to do with the national media or anything silly like that. If this were any other team I'd be posting about it the same. The difference in you and me is that I remain objective in my analysis while you are letting fandom lead you to silliness (not unhinged rants).
I've never seen fans, media, or analysts be more hyperbolic about a trade, ever. We have no idea what the outcome is going to be. It could be a disaster for us, I get that. But it could literally turn out great for us as well. It can't be judged for at least another 7-8 months from now. There is nuance to every move. I'm willing to give Dumars some grace and give it a shot.
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:53 am to brmark70816
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I've watched several teams do full rebuilds with zero draft capital
a. Who?
b. We are still putting ourselves behind with a rebuild in our future
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My issue has always been that I hate tanking and losing on purpose.
I get that, and clearly Dumars does, too, b/c he did a lot of win-now moves to try to prevent this. We appear to be so bad this year we will be utter shite without tanking intentionally, so I'm not sure if that's better or worse for you.
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We are going to win 30+ games this year,
That seems a bit optimistic
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I've never seen fans, media, or analysts be more hyperbolic about a trade, ever.
The infamous NJ trade to BOS got similar heat.
Nobody has been so stupid since then, so it's not shocking we haven't seen such a reaction since then.
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We have no idea what the outcome is going to be. It could be a disaster for us, I get that. But it could literally turn out great for us as well. It can't be judged for at least another 7-8 months from now.
See my poker example on how to analyze decision-making.
The 2-outer hitting doesn't make it a good decision.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:56 am to brmark70816
I agree I do not get the constant outrage like we gave the 1st pick of the 2026 draft. I think this team is going to be in the middle of the pack and end up with the #10-14 pick, I do not think that pick will be better than DQ from what I have seen in a very small sample size,
The question is how many unproven players in the 2026 draft are better than DQ at the end of this season.
The question is how many unproven players in the 2026 draft are better than DQ at the end of this season.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:03 am to Split2874
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I think this team is going to be in the middle of the pack
We're about 10% of the way into the season so far and tied for last in the West.
I don't get this extreme optimism.
The current "middle of the pack" in the West is the Warriors and TWolves. Does anyone think we're close to that level?
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:03 am to Split2874
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I do not think that pick will be better than DQ from what I have seen in a very small sample size,
That pick only has to be less than half of queen to be bad.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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don't get this extreme optimism.
I just think it's realistic. We aren't going to tank.
If we didn't shut it down last year and lose on purpose, we easily win 30 games. We can't shut it down this year and there will be a lot of teams that do, at least 6, as many as 10.
I look at the season and split it into halves or quarters. I believe we will definitely be trying at the end. Let's say out of the first half, 41 games, we only win 13, so go 13-28. But then we straighten out, get healthy and have a late kick to go 18-23 in the last 41. That's how we get to 30+ wins. Is that a crazy optimistic outlook?
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:45 am to brmark70816
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We aren't going to tank.
It appears that we don't have to tank to be bad, though.
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That's how we get to 30+ wins. Is that a crazy optimistic outlook?
Based on what we've seen so far, IF a large number of teams tank, we may be able to do that.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 9:02 am to whatiknowsofar
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This is a patently false way of thinking. Queen being an all pro top 15 player makes it a great decision.
I kind of disagree here. I want Queen to succeed and I want him to be a top 15 all pro. But if you're being honest with yourself, what are the odds of that happening? 1%? 2% maybe? Top 15 all pro is #1 overall pick good.
So just for a trade to be considered great the 13th pick has to be basically the best player in the draft. And that's not even factoring in what you possibly could have had with the other two picks, one of them being much more likely to be a top 15 all pro.
Simply based on the odds of him being what you say he needs to be to make the trade worth it shows that it was not a good movie. You don't make enormous trades based on 1 and 2% possibilities.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 9:07 am to Split2874
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I agree I do not get the constant outrage like we gave the 1st pick of the 2026 draft. I think this team is going to be in the middle of the pack and end up with the #10-14 pick
What makes you think that? Note trying to hate on that opinion but just curious what you've seen to mke you think we are better than 10-15 other NBA teams.
We have two wins, zero with our "star" on the court, and have lost buy 30 three times already. It's not a good basketball team.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 9:21 am to iwyLSUiwy
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But if you're being honest with yourself, what are the odds of that happening? 1%? 2% maybe? Top 15 all pro is #1 overall pick good.
So just for a trade to be considered great the 13th pick has to be basically the best player in the draft. And that's not even factoring in what you possibly could have had with the other two picks, one of them being much more likely to be a top 15 all pro.
Simply based on the odds of him being what you say he needs to be to make the trade worth it shows that it was not a good movie. You don't make enormous trades based on 1 and 2% possibilities.
Hence the 2-outer poker example
Posted on 11/7/25 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The current "middle of the pack" in the West is the Warriors and TWolves. Does anyone think we're close to that level?
I was referring to the entire NBA for where we would draft in 2026. We are not going to tank on purpose. So we will not be in the 1-7 pick range. We will most likely pick between 11-14.
It a long season and who knows, I am optimistic bc that is who I am
But I do want WG fired asap.
This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/7/25 at 9:28 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Note trying to hate on that opinion but just curious what you've seen to mke you think we are better than 10-15 other NBA teams.
Yea that’s crazy. We are probably better than the nets and the wizards.
I don’t think we clearly better than anyone else.
Posted on 11/7/25 at 10:09 pm to ned nederlander
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that’s crazy. We are probably better than the nets and the wizards.
I don’t think we clearly better than anyone else.
What he is saying is around the all star break team's will start shutting players down and tanking shoot Utah, Washington, and the Nets have already began there tank with the Mavs warming up the engine. We want be tanking and picking up wins froms teams who are, like the run Portland made post all-star break last season.
Posted on 12/7/25 at 7:23 am to GOP_Tiger
Still victory lapping ?
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:25 am to ned nederlander
The most accurate take of what is happening here
Posted on 12/7/25 at 10:15 am to BilJ
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Still victory lapping ?
Posted on 12/7/25 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Or maybe you are just coping with trashing a trade that looks like it was brilliant
I mean this guy…
Posted on 12/7/25 at 2:31 pm to BilJ
He ducked out of this forum when Borrego took over and Queen couldn't keep up
Posted on 12/7/25 at 6:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
Weird. He was wanting to declare victory after queens second good game…now….nothing
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