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re: Team is Cursed AF
Posted on 7/21/25 at 11:53 am to Dantheman504
Posted on 7/21/25 at 11:53 am to Dantheman504
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I could give a frick. I don't let sports control my emotions like a giant pussy.
You have legit turned into nothing but a rage poster. You yell, scream, cuss, and bitch to anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with your views. You literally post off emotions more than anyone on this board. Get over yourself, nobody is buying your holier than thou fandom.
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Posted on 7/21/25 at 12:25 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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You literally post off emotions more than anyone on this board.
Ahh yes because me telling people to chill out and trying to bring reason to the conversation is super emotional.
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nobody is buying your holier than thou fandom
Saying that sports are entertainment and shouldn't control your emotions is not "holier than thou".
Imagine telling someone "I don't get upset with sports anymore and its not worth it" and getting told "look at you with your healthy mentality and reasoning, must think your so cool not being miserable like the rest of us".
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You have legit turned into nothing but a rage poster
Nothing screams "rage poster" like someone saying "y'all shouldn't rage". I mean are you for real?
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 1:57 pm to Dantheman504
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Ahh yes because me telling people to chill out and trying to bring reason to the conversation is super emotional.
But you're not brining reason to the conversation. That's the whole point. You're trying to pretend that we're the same team that made the play-in games a few years back, but our roster is objectively worse than it was then.
We've lost BI, we've lost CJ, we've lost JV. That's alot of offensive production we could count on, that's gone and we didn't bring in anyone to replace it. We had great bench pieces in Naji, Dyson, Nance that helped our defense and we haven't really replaced them either.
Murray is coming off an achilles injury. Our bench is a bunch of young guys that haven't ever produced in this league (Hawk, Karlo, Fears, Queen, Peavy, etc).
Our center rotation is Missi and Looney and while Missi has some potential, right now we have the worst 5 rotation in the league, without a doubt. No debate there. We have two good shooters that can stretch the floor for Z in Trey and Bey. That's it.
In short, unless Zion has a historic season in regards to health and production, this team is gonna have a bottom 5 record AGAIN. Does that guarantee a top 5 pick? No, but it makes it way too likely to justify trading the pick for a player like Queen.
You can pretend this team is ready to compete, but when almost the entire board, made up of people who want that to be true, disagree with you, there's probably a good reason. You've got on rose colored glasses, Dan. That's the truth.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 2:20 pm to AOC4PREZ2028
Sure it is, you play teams within your division most.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 2:22 pm to RUFshreve
The issue is the center position. Zion SHOULD have his best season, Trey should be able to replace much of what Ingram provided and Poole should replace CJ’s production. Bey should produce what Naji did. However, we have no center on the team as good as Nance, much less JV. Going into the season with the worst center rotation for the second year in a row is malpractice. But alas, here we are.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 2:34 pm to RUFshreve
You just completely ignored the (3) most important pieces on the entire team in Trey, Herb, and Poole. Trey and Herb will digress I guess and Pooles 20+ a game just doesn't exist.
Poole can arguably produce more than CJ and Bey avg 14pts per his career and will have a bigger role. Your comment here is more unreasonable than reality and it seems you left out Poole to exaggerate it.
I never argued against this. To think that (2) of these guys can't have a big impact this year is crazy tho. Especially when you make comments like:
You actually said this with a straight face like Naji/ Nance are some high bar players and our young guys can't reach their ceiling? Give me a break.
I'm not "pretending they can compete".
I am just not ignoring that:
Zion CAN be healthy this year.
Murray CAN come back an all star caliber player.
Fears/ Queen CAN be legit.
Missi CAN be a good starter.
Herb/ Trey CAN continue to improve.
Stars of other teams CAN get injured.
Our picks CAN end up outside of the lottery.
You know what you CAN'T do? You CAN'T prove any of those things to be false yet. I'm not saying they will all happen, I'm just saying you are a pussy if you think none of them will happen.
To top everything else off, I don't care if it goes well or not because we are finally positioning ourselves to move on from the hell we've been stuck in. At the end of the day that's the most positive news we've had in a long time and yet you just want to be sad for no reason.
That's the truth.
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alot of offensive production we could count on, that's gone and we didn't bring in anyone to replace it
Poole can arguably produce more than CJ and Bey avg 14pts per his career and will have a bigger role. Your comment here is more unreasonable than reality and it seems you left out Poole to exaggerate it.
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Our bench is a bunch of young guys that haven't ever produced in this league (Hawk, Karlo, Fears, Queen, Peavy, etc).
I never argued against this. To think that (2) of these guys can't have a big impact this year is crazy tho. Especially when you make comments like:
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Naji,Nance that helped our defense and we haven't really replaced them either
You actually said this with a straight face like Naji/ Nance are some high bar players and our young guys can't reach their ceiling? Give me a break.
quote:If you read my posts you'd know I agree.
Our center rotation is Missi and Looney and while Missi has some potential, right now we have the worst 5 rotation in the league, without a doubt. No debate there
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You can pretend this team is ready to compete
I'm not "pretending they can compete".
I am just not ignoring that:
Zion CAN be healthy this year.
Murray CAN come back an all star caliber player.
Fears/ Queen CAN be legit.
Missi CAN be a good starter.
Herb/ Trey CAN continue to improve.
Stars of other teams CAN get injured.
Our picks CAN end up outside of the lottery.
You know what you CAN'T do? You CAN'T prove any of those things to be false yet. I'm not saying they will all happen, I'm just saying you are a pussy if you think none of them will happen.
To top everything else off, I don't care if it goes well or not because we are finally positioning ourselves to move on from the hell we've been stuck in. At the end of the day that's the most positive news we've had in a long time and yet you just want to be sad for no reason.
That's the truth.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 2:49 pm to Dantheman504
Even right now I'm simply saying that its not the end of the world, our team can be better than the last few years, and we are finally putting together a plan even if it doesn't work out. And apparently that's a "delusional" take.
I'm not asking you to agree with me but stop acting like I'm crazy for not jumping on the "its the end of the world" train.
Its one thing to disagree and its another to attack anyone and everyone who has a positive take or attitude.
I promise that we don't want to be like you.
I'm not asking you to agree with me but stop acting like I'm crazy for not jumping on the "its the end of the world" train.
Its one thing to disagree and its another to attack anyone and everyone who has a positive take or attitude.
I promise that we don't want to be like you.
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:03 pm to BallHawk
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Team is Cursed AF
The curse began when Rita had that unfortunate and somewhat misunderstood incident in the Dome suite trying to shake some sense into Gayle.
If Tom could’ve kept the punishment to the forced sabbatical versus the will change in ownership we’d be in a better place today with Rita’s inevitable maturation.
Self inflicted curse? Undoubtedly yes, but NOLA has a way of snatching defeat from victory.
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:17 pm to Geauxldilocks
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The curse began when Rita had that unfortunate and somewhat misunderstood incident in the Dome suite trying to shake some sense into Gayle.
If Tom could’ve kept the punishment to the forced sabbatical versus the will change in ownership we’d be in a better place today with Rita’s inevitable maturation.
Self inflicted curse? Undoubtedly yes, but NOLA has a way of snatching defeat from victory.
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Is she still in jail? Never forget
This post was edited on 7/21/25 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 7/21/25 at 3:18 pm to Dantheman504
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I am just not ignoring that:
Zion CAN be healthy this year.
Murray CAN come back an all star caliber player.
Fears/ Queen CAN be legit.
Missi CAN be a good starter.
Herb/ Trey CAN continue to improve.
Stars of other teams CAN get injured.
Our picks CAN end up outside of the lottery.
Sure Z CAN be healthy, but history says it's more likely he will miss more than half the season.
Sure Murray could come back from a torn Achilles and immediately play at an all-star level, but history says that it probably takes him 2 years to get back to being close to what he was, if he ever does. I think he can be the same player, I just dont think it happens this year. Achilles injuries are the hardest injury to recover from and comeback at 100%. Takes alot of time.
Sure Fears and Queen can be legit. If you read my posts, you'd know I LOVED the Fears pick. Thought it was a homerun. But I dont expect him to contribute to winning basketball as a 18-19 year old. I'm less optimistic on Queen, but i still have some hope he can be a player for us in the future. I just have no hope he's a plus on the court in his rookie season. He has way too many holes to his game.
I already said Missi could be a good starter down the road. But we both know he isn't there yet.
I expect Herb and Trey to continue to improve. No argument there.
Sure other players will get injured, but history says we'll deal with more/worse injuries than other teams. And sure we can land a pick outside the lottery. Anything is possible. But I'm talking about whats likely to happen this year.
I didn't comment on Poole, because I honestly dont know what to expect out of him. If we had a real offensive system, with veteran leadership, id be more positive on Poole's contributions for this team. As we're currently constructed, I think Poole will be a worse fit than CJ. Again, I'm not talking about years down the line, just this season. The season we no longer own a draft pick for.
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To top everything else off, I don't care if it goes well or not because we are finally positioning ourselves to move on from the hell we've been stuck in. At the end of the day that's the most positive news we've had in a long time and yet you just want to be sad for no reason.
How have we done that? From most perspectives, we put ourselves further into the hell we've already been trapped in. What have we done this off-season that is "positioning us to move on?" Drafted two first round players, instead of one? I really don't know what you think we've done that's gonna change our trajectory.
All we've done is ensure that if we really do bottom out this year, as is certainly possible, we cant do anything to benefit from it. That's the truth.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 10:25 am to RUFshreve
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How have we done that? From most perspectives, we put ourselves further into the hell we've already been trapped in. What have we done this off-season that is "positioning us to move on?" Drafted two first round players, instead of one?
Yeah the (2) rookies play a part in that but for Queen its more about the actual position he plays. He's a Zion replacement and could be a great one. Fears could be a Murray replacement. Now that we have those guys on the roster we can look at options for Z/ Murray down the line.
We currently have a full young core of:
Fears
Herb
Trey/ Peavy
Queen
Missi
That is more young talent then we may have ever had and a full 6 man lineup. Yeah sure it may take 2 years to have a major impact but that's excluding our 3 top players (excluding Trey for this example). If this group excels then we have (3) all star caliber players to make decisions on. We set the season up to be an audition for Murray/ Z/ Poole. Atleast (1) of those guys gets an extension and fits with the young core. Maybe all (3) or maybe the other (2) get traded for more pieces.
We have a full young core and over $100mil cap space with (3) all star level players to make future decisions.
So no the Queen pick doesn't bother me because if Queen goes off and Z is mediocre then we trade Z, already have his replacement, and definitely end up with more than what Queen cost anyway.
The current view is that all (3) of Poole/ Z/ Murray will be negative assets and I just think that's a crazy opinion. Zion is finally healthy/ in shape, Poole is coming of literally his best season ever and a change of scenery will be good, and Murray avg 27/7/7 before his injury. Even if Murray comes back 50% he would be 100% better than Jose/ Hawk. (1) of those guys get an extension and we will have our core locked up until 2030. And then we will still have $60mil space and (2) all star level players to make decisions on.
Never in the history of the Pelicans/ Hornets have we ever been this set up to actually plan or make decisions for the future like we are now. If you can understand all of that then you'd see why I'm just excited to see what works and what doesn't vs being gloomy for no reason.
We also still have 27'/ 28'/ 29'/ 30'/ 31'/ 32'. How many teams in the NBA could potentially have their core locked up until 2030 while having all of their picks? Less than you'd think. And we are doing it without paying anyone 60-80mil like other teams are doing. The timing is great, the potential is great.
This post was edited on 7/22/25 at 10:56 am
Posted on 7/22/25 at 10:27 am to Ghost Of Bristow
I would LOVE to have a MLS team but I wouldn’t mind a NHL team.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 12:55 pm to RUFshreve
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We've lost BI, we've lost CJ, we've lost JV. That's alot of offensive production we could count on, that's gone and we didn't bring in anyone to replace it. We had great bench pieces in Naji, Dyson, Nance that helped our defense and we haven't really replaced them either.
Poole is a very talented player. Bey has been a starter more than a backup. Looney is older but still a quality rotation piece.
I'm not trying to argue that we're going to be great, but "we didn't bring in anyone" is just a very bad take.
Posted on 7/22/25 at 4:27 pm to BallHawk
At least he’ll still be very slow when he gets back ……
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