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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
All the smoke is Murray, but I find it very interesting that he's Klutch and Trae dumped Klutch for Zion's agency...
I just have a hard time believing we want to deal with Rich Paul.
I just have a hard time believing we want to deal with Rich Paul.
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:21 am to ghost2most
quote:I don't think Griffin dreads dealing with Klutch as much as those on a message board. Klutch has too many clients to be concerned about that. The other PG we supposedly have some interest in (Garland) is also represented by Klutch.
All the smoke is Murray, but I find it very interesting that he's Klutch and Trae dumped Klutch for Zion's agency...
I just have a hard time believing we want to deal with Rich Paul.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:43 am to ghost2most
quote:
All the smoke is Murray, but I find it very interesting that he's Klutch and Trae dumped Klutch for Zion's agency...
I just have a hard time believing we want to deal with Rich Paul.
Murray already is on a long-term contract and has had his shine wear off the past 2 years. Also, the atmosphere of 4-5 years ago has shifted way back. Players just don't have the pull they had. There also simply aren't many options left anymore. All the desirable teams have blown their load (why Dame couldn't end up in Miami).
Klutch or no Klutch, he has no leverage.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Klutch or no Klutch, he has no leverage.
Eh when he publicly states his client doesn’t want to be in New Orleans he has created leverage. All I’m saying is I wouldn’t underestimate the “dick” that Rich Paul can be.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
Eh when he publicly states his client doesn’t want to be in New Orleans he has created leverage. All I’m saying is I wouldn’t underestimate the “dick” that Rich Paul can be.
He can be --- yet the pendulum on klutch has swung to where he isn't getting his players what they want. Since the damage to certain players, money, and reputation --- players realized it hurt them more than helped them and they went back to other companies like CAA.
Top players on their list:
LeBron (obviously)
Davis (obviously)
Wall (out the league)
Grant
FVV
LaVine
Nurkic
Murray
Ball
Miles Bridges
Fox
Sexton
Garland
Lively
Bronny James (obviously)
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:33 pm to htran90
quote:
He can be --- yet the pendulum on klutch has swung to where he isn't getting his players what they want. Since the damage to certain players, money, and reputation --- players realized it hurt them more than helped them and they went back to other companies like CAA. Top players on their list: LeBron (obviously) Davis (obviously) Wall (out the league) Grant FVV LaVine Nurkic Murray Ball Miles Bridges Fox Sexton Garland Lively Bronny James (obviously)
No you’re right. Recently that has been the case. The Garland situation will be interesting to see how much pull he still has left.
If we do go after Murray- I do wonder if the organization, not just Griffin, would be ok dealing with Paul again. He completely made a mockery of the pelicans with the whole AD situation.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:33 pm to htran90
Klutch's standard operating procedure is designed to control the process, not optimize the outcome. That focus on control is often damaging to both the client and the team, yet it remains their focus, see Darius Garland in Cleveland.
I think Murray's fit is good enough that I wouldn't let it scare me away from him, but at the same time, I think if I were a GM and I had a choice between 2 players that I thought were equal, I choose the non Klutch player every time because there doesn't seem to be a single other agency in the NBA that practices this self destructive behavior.
I think Murray's fit is good enough that I wouldn't let it scare me away from him, but at the same time, I think if I were a GM and I had a choice between 2 players that I thought were equal, I choose the non Klutch player every time because there doesn't seem to be a single other agency in the NBA that practices this self destructive behavior.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:39 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Did Murray say that or is that a hypothetical?
Eh when he publicly states his client doesn’t want to be in New Orleans he has created leverage.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:45 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Did Murray say that or is that a hypothetical?
Im stating it as a hypothetical considering what some of his previous clients have done including the last one in nola. Again this may never happen; I’m just trying to emphasize his history with his clients.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
Only time I think a player may get their way these days, is if its their last year of a contract -- like BI. But that's regardless of agency.
For Klutch:
Garland has 4 years left
Murray has 3 with a player option for 4th.
The money potentially lost for sitting out, fines, etc is going to become astronomical. We saw what Simmons just went through as well. Tax teams are too costly, teams aren't gonna deal with shite anymore.
For Klutch:
Garland has 4 years left
Murray has 3 with a player option for 4th.
The money potentially lost for sitting out, fines, etc is going to become astronomical. We saw what Simmons just went through as well. Tax teams are too costly, teams aren't gonna deal with shite anymore.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:57 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Got it.
Im stating it as a hypothetical considering what some of his previous clients have done including the last one in nola. Again this may never happen; I’m just trying to emphasize his history with his clients.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:59 pm to htran90
quote:I think Klutch could put some pressure on the Cavs to move Garland if Mitchell extends. However, I see that being more of a joint effort as Garland is not a superstar that can force his way to a specific team. Murray is somewhat of a depressed asset at this point.
For Klutch:
Garland has 4 years left
Murray has 3 with a player option for 4th.
The money potentially lost for sitting out, fines, etc is going to become astronomical. We saw what Simmons just went through as well. Tax teams are too costly, teams aren't gonna deal with shite anymore.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:07 pm to TigerinATL
Im still sticking with my original trade:
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:15 pm to 50_Tiger
A little off topic but with the draft and the window for player extensions coming up- do you think pels NEED to trade BI pretty soon or they could hold onto him and wait till season opens- like harden and dame trades? I would prefer sooner just so the distraction is gone.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:17 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:
Im still sticking with my original trade:
I think the bones of that trade makes a lot of sense, but I would take out Daniels. Unless another team gets desperate for Garland, I am not sure the Cavs get a better player offered than BI (and I think BI value > Garland value). Clearly Allen's value is higher than Nance and a 2024 1st, but I think it is offset by BI's value exceeding Garland (if that makes sense). Just my opinion. May add Liddell, Ryan or JRE for some filler if they are interested.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:18 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
A little off topic but with the draft and the window for player extensions coming up- do you think pels NEED to trade BI pretty soon or they could hold onto him and wait till season opens- like harden and dame trades? I would prefer sooner just so the distraction is gone.
I saw some folks making an argument that the week of Draft (so two weeks from now) would be the most ideal.
I think if a deal with Cleve is imminent, the coaching situation probably needs to get solved first. However, a deal with ATL can be in the new literally as soon as the Finals ends.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:19 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:IMO, I think there are going to be more options now. However, Griffin is probably not afraid to wait if the right offer is not there. I would think some form of a trade of Murray/Capela for BI+ (either 2 team or a 3 team deal) or a Garland/Allen for BI+ are possibilities, but there could be other options as well.
A little off topic but with the draft and the window for player extensions coming up- do you think pels NEED to trade BI pretty soon or they could hold onto him and wait till season opens- like harden and dame trades? I would prefer sooner just so the distraction is gone.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:24 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
I think the bones of that trade makes a lot of sense, but I would take out Daniels. Unless another team gets desperate for Garland, I am not sure the Cavs get a better player offered than BI (and I think BI value > Garland value). Clearly Allen's value is higher than Nance and a 2024 1st, but I think it is offset by BI's value exceeding Garland (if that makes sense). Just my opinion. May add Liddell, Ryan or JRE for some filler if they are interested.
I hear you. Im going to keep it 100. Dyson is not holding me up from making that deal. If we could get him off that deal then great.
JA
Zion
Trey
Herb
DG
Is a great YOUNG core. I think DG can provide a lot more upside and now you have two ball handlers at the guard position. A healthy Zion is a large tide that raises all boats. Herb can actually try more on offense because he has a rim protector behind him. I think they all just fit well.
Your bench isnt that bad either:
Jose
CJ
Hawk
FA
FA (Honestly if JV were willing to take 10m and a backup role I mean??)
And you get to keep the Lakers pick
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:25 pm to NOSHAU
I don't think anyone is pulling the trigger on a major trade until FA starts.
Teams are going to want to know what Mitchell and PG are doing first.
Teams are going to want to know what Mitchell and PG are doing first.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 2:27 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Yeah, DD would not be a player I would lose a deal over, I just think adding him is a slight overpay. Who knows? Overall, I think the core of that trade makes sense.
I hear you. Im going to keep it 100. Dyson is not holding me up from making that deal. If we could get him off that deal then great.
JA
Zion
Trey
Herb
DG
Is a great YOUNG core. I think DG can provide a lot more upside and now you have two ball handlers at the guard position. A healthy Zion is a large tide that raises all boats. Herb can actually try more on offense because he has a rim protector behind him. I think they all just fit well.
Your bench isnt that bad either:
Jose
CJ
Hawk
FA
FA (Honestly if JV were willing to take 10m and a backup role I mean??)
And you get to keep the Lakers pick
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