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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:50 am to htran90
Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:50 am to htran90
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In all seriousness, I've been on the wagon that Ingram is a talent you want to keep. A good coach will just scheme around his deficiencies.
I would keep him if he were to take a 5/175 deal, as long as no superstar deals transpire. I would not pay him more than Zion to establish that clear heirarchy.
The problem is we do not have a good coach.
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Posted on 6/14/24 at 10:54 am to Soggymoss
How does that improve the Hawks?
If Quinn was that great, why can't he fix the Young/Murray backcourt, which could arguably be the best backcourt in the league?
I'm a casual fan of the Hawks (since I live in Atlanta). But we really need a Hawk diehard to argue for their side. Cause these deals suck for them and don't improve them at all..
If Quinn was that great, why can't he fix the Young/Murray backcourt, which could arguably be the best backcourt in the league?
I'm a casual fan of the Hawks (since I live in Atlanta). But we really need a Hawk diehard to argue for their side. Cause these deals suck for them and don't improve them at all..
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:01 am to Townedrunkard
quote:I agree that trade is too much, but he also has us getting Capela and giving up Nance
Giving up BI, DD and a draft pick for Murray? Atlanta getting way to much in that trade and we giving to much.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:03 am to Soggymoss
I truly expect green to be here one more year unless we somehow get to the wcf.
He is on borrowed time. Isn't he also only eligible for a 4yr extension too? I think he's gonna hit 40mil average, esp with the new escalating cap/money. I just don't wanna get into that 4/200(50mil) annual, we're gonna cripple ourselves.
He is on borrowed time. Isn't he also only eligible for a 4yr extension too? I think he's gonna hit 40mil average, esp with the new escalating cap/money. I just don't wanna get into that 4/200(50mil) annual, we're gonna cripple ourselves.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:07 am to htran90
I do not take any conversation about keeping Ingram seriously unless they are immediately followed with a plan to trade Murphy. You can't keep both. So pick a side..
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:08 am to brmark70816
A real question.
Ingram for 40-45mil
Murphy for 30-35mil
Which are you taking?
Ingram for 40-45mil
Murphy for 30-35mil
Which are you taking?
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:11 am to htran90
Neither. I trade both. I'm not giving Ingram over 30M or Muphy over 25M.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:15 am to htran90
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I think he's gonna hit 40mil average
If this is his demand then I trade him for the best package I can get, even if that package is Paul Reed with a huge TPE and 4 picks or Herro and picks.
If he can only get a 4 year extension then I would give him a 4/140, and as soon as it’s signed I tell him I’m still trading him, but now his contract is far more enticing.
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 11:17 am
Posted on 6/14/24 at 11:15 am to brmark70816
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Neither. I trade both.
??? Then whats your exact plan because Trey is the exact type of player you want next to Zion.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:03 pm to htran90
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Weary teams from Beal, Wall, Harden, Westbrook, CP3, etc with 40mil+ cap hits
All those guys signed mega contracts on the wrong side of 30. BI is 25, so even if you pay him mega money, he is coming off the books before he is over 30. Not saying he is anywhere near those guys, but if you are gonna pay max money, with the new rules, you will want a guy like BI more than a guy like listed above.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:52 pm to saints5021
Not to nit pick, but Brandon will actually be 27 by the start of the season and 28 by the start of his new deal, so factor that in...
This post was edited on 6/14/24 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:19 pm to New City Champ
Trade I would like to see that won’t happen is a trade around Zion to DET for Cade Cunningham to Nola. Long term I don’t trust Zion as a star player. I don’t think he’s mature enough still for the responsibility and I’m not sold on his commitment to himself or the city.
Lineup:
Cade
Herb
Trey
BI
FA/Rookie
It’s a small lineup but it’s a strategy not too different than the Celtics.
Lineup:
Cade
Herb
Trey
BI
FA/Rookie
It’s a small lineup but it’s a strategy not too different than the Celtics.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:33 pm to braud2go
quote:
a trade around Zion to
I stopped reading right there
Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
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??? Then whats your exact plan because Trey is the exact type of player you want next to Zion
I'm guessing I would get a pretty fat haul for both. Move McCollum to SG and Jones to SF (where both should really be playing). Find a good PG and C , then carry on. We'd still have a great bench with Alvarado, Hawkins and Daniels, plus whatever else we get from trading the pair. Honestly I love it, depending on what PG/C we can get..
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:02 pm to brmark70816
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Move McCollum to SG and Jones to SF (where both should really be playing).
Both those players play both those positions a good bit. I think you’re really stuck on a player playing a specific position. Thats not how todays nba works. Jose, Hawkins and Dyson isnt a great bench. You basically want to get rid of one of our stars and probably best young player we have because they’re expensive so you can play CJ and Herb at positions they already play.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:56 pm to Pels_Yaz
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If tweet fails to load, click here. 100% posturing. In the article Amico says Cavs will only trade them if they ask for a trade.
This all reads to me as “Well would you please kindly add a pick to that since we traded all ours away mister?”
Posted on 6/14/24 at 2:56 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
Thats not how todays nba works.
Yes it is. Players are slotted to roles and line-ups are announced. Nobody starts 5 PGs or 5 SFs or 5 Cs. There should be a balance of all different attributes. There are some outliers. But everybody builds and plans this way.
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Jose, Hawkins and Dyson isnt a great bench.
Then what are we doing? I'm hoping they might be starters someday, but now they aren't worth of playing on the bench?
We will have like 7 additional spots. So maybe we could someone else you might like. But it's sobering none of those 3 could make your top 8.
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basically want to get rid of one of our stars and probably best young player we have because they’re expensive so you can play CJ and Herb at positions they already play.
It's asset allocation. I'm not paying Ingram more than Zion. I wouldn't give Muphy a fat deal, cause he's never started long term before. He might be a specialist and a borderline starter. We don't know. Personally I wouldn't pay him until next summer. If he blows up then great, he'll earn a huge bump. I wouldn't gamble on that though.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:07 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Yes it is. Players are slotted to roles and line-ups are announced. Nobody starts 5 PGs or 5 SFs or 5 Cs. There should be a balance of all different attributes. There are some outliers. But everybody builds and plans this way.
The celtics start 2 point guards, 2 guards/small forwards and technically another PF. Mavs start 2 point guards and SF at PF. Thunder have shai, 3 wings and Chet. The Cavs start 2 massive 7 footers and 2 small guards. The knicks were starting OG at power forward. But according to you, team’s dont build this way lol
quote:
Then what are we doing? I'm hoping they might be starters someday, but now they aren't worth of playing on the bench?
Jose will never be a starter. Hawkins and Dysin mighy but they struggle mightily on offense or defense.
quote:
It's asset allocation. I'm not paying Ingram more than Zion. I wouldn't give Muphy a fat deal, cause he's never started long term before. He might be a specialist and a borderline starter. We don't know. Personally I wouldn't pay him until next summer. If he blows up then great, he'll earn a huge bump. I wouldn't gamble on that though.
If you choose not to pay BI- then you’re choosing to pay Trey. If you don’t want to gamble on Trey because as an owner/GM you’re stingy thats fine. Because I can promise many other NBA teams will gamble on paying Trey and if he hits you basically lose your job.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:33 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:
The celtics start 2 point guards, 2 guards/small forwards and technically another PF. Mavs start 2 point guards and SF at PF. Thunder have shai, 3 wings and Chet. The Cavs start 2 massive 7 footers and 2 small guards. The knicks were starting OG at power forward. But according to you, team’s dont build this way lol
I am not sure what you are arguing. Players can play multiple positions and slide up/down. That doesn't negate where they best play. Every player on the Celtics plays multiple positions. As amazing as Tatum is, could you play 5 of him at the same time?
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Jose will never be a starter. Hawkins and Dysin mighy but they struggle mightily on offense or defense
I still like all 3 and want them on our 2 deep. They aren't going to get sitting on the bench.
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If you choose not to pay BI- then you’re choosing to pay Trey.
You just buzzed over what I said. I would wait until next summer. I don't mind giving him big money if he shows out. If he's mad about it, then so what. Maybe it will inspire him that much more. But he's not taking less to leave no matter what.
quote:
Because I can promise many other NBA teams will gamble on paying Trey and if he hits you basically lose your job.
Hits how? I thought I was the owner. Am I firing myself? If I'm the GM, how good do you think he becomes, that I'm getting fired?
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:34 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
100% posturing. In the article Amico says Cavs will only trade them if they ask for a trade.
This all reads to me as “Well would you please kindly add a pick to that since we traded all ours away mister?”
The fact that Cleveland keeps popping up in the rumors says its posturing and they are in fact interested.
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