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re: tOfficial NBA Draft Rumor Thread
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:26 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:26 am to Fun Bunch
Better possibility than the original deal. I’d certainly consider it.
This would also handicap their ability to trade picks for talent should shite go sideways, similar to what we did to LA. That in turn raises the chances of a pick or swap being worth more.
This would also handicap their ability to trade picks for talent should shite go sideways, similar to what we did to LA. That in turn raises the chances of a pick or swap being worth more.
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:26 am to Mystictiger
Only way I could see this is trading 8 for 13, 15 and a future 1st. Send 13 and Hayes to Suns for Cam and a 24 and 26 1st.
We still keep 15 and add Cam and 3 additional 1sts
We still keep 15 and add Cam and 3 additional 1sts
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
What if the deal includes:
24
25 pick swap
26
That would be dumb for Phoenix. They just blew the 10th pick a few years ago. Trading Cam and a bunch of future picks, they'd have to nail the #8 pick with a guy that was pretty ready to play and presumably replace Cam in the rotation.
Also, I think it's worth pointing out that they are doing this because they are a good team that's gotten to the point where they can't afford to pay everyone. Us taking on Cam would give us another playoff rotation worthy player, but would also make us get to where Phoenix is in terms of making hard choices much sooner than if we stay the course.
This sounds like one of those deals that gets kicked around but never goes anywhere because it's not realistic for either side.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:29 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Cam Johnson, 2023 and 2025 unprotected picks
for
8, Devonte or Temple
You need to remember what you quoted initially said.
quote:
The Phoenix Suns are said to be one of the teams potentially looking at trade scenarios here, possibly including a player like Cameron Johnson in order to free up salary cap flexibility to keep Deandre Ayton
We have a $6.38M TPE that expires on July 6th.
Unless you're sending Temple or Graham somewhere else, Phoenix isn't wanting anyone back in this scenario, unless it's a minimum salary guy they like, like maybe Naji.
Cam fits nicely into that TPE.
Depending on how the draft shapes out, i'd without a doubt make that trade for Cam and a future 1st.
Roll out a secondary lineup with Jose/Trey/Cam/Zion/NanceorJax where you have Trey and Cam sitting in both corners just waiting to fire away on wide arse open 3's as Jose/Zion/NanceorJax run pick and rolls.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:29 am to TigerinATL
quote:
That would be dumb for Phoenix.
I agree, I just don't see how a deal makes sense for either team ultimately.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:30 am to Soggymoss
Not sure how feasible that is.
Something closer to 8 and Temple or Graham for 13 and 15 then one of those two for Cam is a possibility.
I don’t see future firsts happening if we drop from 8 then get Cam.
Something closer to 8 and Temple or Graham for 13 and 15 then one of those two for Cam is a possibility.
I don’t see future firsts happening if we drop from 8 then get Cam.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:31 am to teke184
quote:And also that CP3 should be done by then, and I'm not they'd be top 5 record type good then.
It means the value of the 25 pick is determined by the likelihood that Sarver gets cheap and blows it up within 3 seasons. And he is less in a position to do so if they won’t have their own pick.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:33 am to shel311
CP3 has 1, maybe 2 more years left in him. I can't see him playing much longer than that.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:36 am to teke184
quote:
They had the top record in the league last season and this deal is centered on keeping their big three together,
The main member of their Big3 is 55 years old and is hurt every playoffs.
I would assume Booker signs his massive extension this summer, but if for some crazy reason he didn't, he's an UFA in 2 years. With a new TV deal happening soon, he may opt to wait for that to take affect instead of signing the extension now. although i think when you sign the super max it would take into consideration any upticks in the salary cap due to the new tv deal.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:39 am to teke184
I agree it’s not very feasible, but Phoenix not having a pick this season means they need to add something with him. Cam is good but having to pay him next season means he doesn’t have great value because he could very well end up like Duncan when paid, just an overpaid 3 point shooter.
I know we will not trade out of the draft at all, and 15 would be the lowest we would move back, that’s why I said that’s the only way I see a scenario it works.
I know we will not trade out of the draft at all, and 15 would be the lowest we would move back, that’s why I said that’s the only way I see a scenario it works.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:41 am to Soggymoss
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very well end up like Duncan when paid, just an overpaid 3 point shooter.
I don't understand why the NBA teams pay these guys the money. Was anyone else really going to pay Duncan 90mill? Who is beating down the door to pay Cam? Where is all this leverage coming from? Someone help
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 9:42 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:53 am to The_Duke
quote:
I don't understand why the NBA teams pay these guys the money. Was anyone else really going to pay Duncan 90mill? Who is beating down the door to pay Cam? Where is all this leverage coming from? Someone help
NBA owners and GMs can't help themselves. They always bid against themselves.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:04 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I just think its an indication that lots of teams are interested in our pick. Cam Johnson would have to be the piece if Phoenix wanted to get involved.
I agree, I just don't see how a deal makes sense for either team ultimately.
Thats WAY too much of a favor to Phoenix to me though. You're taking their 4th best(?) player, to allow them to keep the guy that will be their 2nd best player going forward...and giving them the 8th pick. Easy hang up.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:06 am to The_Duke
quote:
I don't understand why the NBA teams pay these guys the money. Was anyone else really going to pay Duncan 90mill? Who is beating down the door to pay Cam? Where is all this leverage coming from? Someone help
At the time? Yeah, probably.
Duncan was considered the best gravity shooter in the game not named Steph Curry for the prior two seasons, going into his prime. 17-18 million a year for that player wouldn't be the worst deal in the world if he didn't seriously regress right after.
Other issue teams run into is the Asik mindset. You are trying to win, you are above the cap, you got a mid tier guy that is valuable to your program(Asik wasn't, but Demps thought he was) and you feel you cant replace that guy with the MLE, so you have to pay top dollar to retain.
Honestly the Pels are gonna have that problem really soon with possibly CJ, Herb, and/or Jonas.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:10 am to eyeran
Bridges is their 4th best player. I would put Cam at 5-6, as Cam Payne is also a very good find for them.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:11 am to Bronc
Man, I hate that this thought was put into my head. I know Cam has a contract coming and I know we can’t afford him any more than they can. And no I don’t want to turn in the 8th pick for him.
But crud, 42.5% from three at an athletic 6’8. That’s a game changing addition to this team that is trying to win next year. I’m not against looking into additional ways to make it beneficial to us and having that be part of the end result.
But crud, 42.5% from three at an athletic 6’8. That’s a game changing addition to this team that is trying to win next year. I’m not against looking into additional ways to make it beneficial to us and having that be part of the end result.
This post was edited on 6/21/22 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:13 am to PELsu
If Cam comes in, Jax and Kira have to be flipped at the least before they come up on extensions because we clearly aren’t keeping them.
And it likely impacts our ability to keep Nance as well, who is our key 4/5 sub.
And it likely impacts our ability to keep Nance as well, who is our key 4/5 sub.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:15 am to teke184
These guys are available every year. We drafted 2 last year. We just have to keep drafting and developing and we'll be fine. Don't take short cuts, short cuts come with costs we don't want to pay.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:16 am to PELsu
Murphy and Johnson are similar players with similar roles. Would make absolutely 0 sense to bring Cam in when you have that role filled by Murphy.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 10:17 am to supe12sta12z
I also personally like Murphy's upside more
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