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re: tOfficial NBA Draft Rumor Thread
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:20 pm to Fun Bunch
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Haven't we literally been discussing for weeks that the Pels have the ability to take a swing on upside and hope a player develops?
Yes. That's why I said it would be curious to pass on Sharpe for a developmental guy with a lower ceiling.
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:20 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:In other words, you have convinced yourself that Dieng can become similar BI because someone on the internet said it, but Sharpe cannot become a similar LaVine when a person on the internet said it. Odds are, neither hit those comparisons, but both are boom or bust types.
I hear people say that, but I've heard multiple people say he doesn't play at all with that level of athleticism.
He plays really slow at times, and takes insane shots that are dumb as frick...that happen to go in.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:21 pm to NOSHAU
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Simply a competent shot does not make him a BI comparison though.
All the stuff other than a shot are why he resembles BI
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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His ceiling is literally BI
Similar bodies/athleticism and skills around the same age. BI didn't come into the NBA with his shooting. He didn't even hit 70% of his FT until Nola. I don't think a lot of Pelifans realize that.
I don't disagree with this necessarily, but stylistically I think they are different. They play the game differently, different habits, etc.
In regards to BI's shooting, he may have not hit a high clip from the FT line, but that was always a weird outlier. He shot 41% from three at Duke, and was deadly from midrange. BI was a movement shooter, but also an elite catch and shoot guy. I think BI was considerably more fluid with the ball in his hand and a lot better in self creation opportunities. The list goes on and on.
It's just outlandish to think Dieng will ever get there, imo. I don't want to speak in absolutes, but if you look at 19 year old Brandon Ingram and the current Ousmane Dieng, he would have to have a development rate of historic proportions to reach that. Which is why I keep harping on, I hate the term ceiling because for whatever reason a guy's ceiling is always placed in some fantasyland that he'll likely never get to. Just like BI was supposed to be the next KD. What is Dieng's most likely/realistic ceiling?
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:21 pm to NOSHAU
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In other words, you have convinced yourself that Dieng can become similar BI because someone on the internet said it, but Sharpe cannot become a similar LaVine when a person on the internet said it.
i know some of yall are basketball junkies...i like basketball too, but only the NBA. i hadnt ever heard the name "ousmane dieng" in my life before i saw his name on a mock draft. unless you are a professional scout (and even then its a crapshoot) none of us can make declaritive statements about these guys that didnt play college hoops
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:22 pm to NOSHAU
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In other words
No
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:24 pm to Fun Bunch
I think my preferred outcomes for tonight are
1) Trade up for Ivey
2) Stay at 8 and Draft Dyson, Sochan or Sharpe
3) Trade down to 12-16 range, get off Graham, pick up a better vet, and take one of Branham, Davis, Ochai, Mark Williams, Jalen Williams
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100) Take Dieng at 8
Maybe he will develop. I just can’t get behind that asset management at the moment. Feels like when we took Hayes at 8. A guy who will probably be better for his 2nd team than the one who drafts him.
1) Trade up for Ivey
2) Stay at 8 and Draft Dyson, Sochan or Sharpe
3) Trade down to 12-16 range, get off Graham, pick up a better vet, and take one of Branham, Davis, Ochai, Mark Williams, Jalen Williams
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100) Take Dieng at 8
Maybe he will develop. I just can’t get behind that asset management at the moment. Feels like when we took Hayes at 8. A guy who will probably be better for his 2nd team than the one who drafts him.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm pretty much much where you and CP3 are at but just feel even stronger about it.
I also don't trust griffin being so enamored with such a wild card.
I also don't trust griffin being so enamored with such a wild card.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:25 pm to Balsamic_duck
1.) Dieng's ceiling is BI(Dieng literally says he models his game after BI)
2.) Are people forgetting who prime Batum was before his bizarre fall off? He was a legit 14-7-6 that was 40% on catch and shoot threes, could run your offense, and defend at a high level.
If you get Batum's arc minus the bizarre falloff entering his prime, that's a heck of a player at 8.
Would I still rather take the swing on Sharpe/Daniels? I literally keep jumping around by the hour so if the team likes one over the other, I'll reserve any negative judgement.
2.) Are people forgetting who prime Batum was before his bizarre fall off? He was a legit 14-7-6 that was 40% on catch and shoot threes, could run your offense, and defend at a high level.
If you get Batum's arc minus the bizarre falloff entering his prime, that's a heck of a player at 8.
Would I still rather take the swing on Sharpe/Daniels? I literally keep jumping around by the hour so if the team likes one over the other, I'll reserve any negative judgement.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:25 pm to LosLobos111
quote:do we know it’s just Griffin that loves this kid? Because a foreign guy like Dieng playing in the NBL feels more up Trajans alley
I also don't trust griffin being so enamored with such a wild card.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:26 pm to LosLobos111
How is Dieng "such a wild card" but Sharpe isn't?
Dieng played professional basketball. Sharpe did nothing.
If anything, Dieng is much less of a wild card than Sharpe. Teams actually have a ton of film on him against high level competition. They have none on Sharpe.
Dieng played professional basketball. Sharpe did nothing.
If anything, Dieng is much less of a wild card than Sharpe. Teams actually have a ton of film on him against high level competition. They have none on Sharpe.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I certainly have not watched in person, only on youtube videos. So, I am far from an expert on his abilities, but I am not sure I see those comparisons easily. I see some play making potential and pretty smooth/fluid movements. I do not see a guy who consistently gets where ever he wants to and is deadly in the mid-range. His length is great though. I guess lofty comparisons are made of all the prospects this time of year. If they pick him, I hope he becomes something anywhere near BI. That would be great.
All the stuff other than a shot are why he resembles BI
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:28 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I think my preferred outcomes for tonight are
1) Trade up for Ivey
2) Stay at 8 and Draft Dyson, Sochan or Sharpe
3) Trade down to 12-16 range, get off Graham, pick up a better vet, and take one of Branham, Ochai, Mark Williams, Jalen Williams
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100) Take Dieng at 8
Maybe he will develop. I just can’t get behind that asset management at the moment. Feels like when we took Hayes at 8. A guy who will probably be better for his 2nd team than the one who drafts him.
Exactly my thoughts. I was against trading this pick for win now pieces but id rather do that than draft dieng. I really dont see all this upside everyone else sees.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:28 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:I think they both are wild cards (although I would not call the level of competition high, more like moderate).
How is Dieng "such a wild card" but Sharpe isn't?
Dieng played professional basketball. Sharpe did nothing.
If anything, Dieng is much less of a wild card than Sharpe. Teams actually have a ton of film on him against high level competition. They have none on Sharpe.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:29 pm to Bronc
Didn’t Batum’s body fall apart on him? Leg problems, elbow problems, etc?
Not everyone is Grant Hill or Shaun Livingston who manages to rebuild their game after major injuries.
Not everyone is Grant Hill or Shaun Livingston who manages to rebuild their game after major injuries.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:31 pm to NOSHAU
The NBL is pretty high level for a non-NBA league. Its also a lot more physical and rougher than most other leagues.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:33 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't care for Sharpe either and honestly hope they pick neither.
But I also understand the idea of taking a swing on a guard(which we need more of) than a big wing.
That is my personal preference though which I fully admit.
But I also understand the idea of taking a swing on a guard(which we need more of) than a big wing.
That is my personal preference though which I fully admit.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:34 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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Man you just looking for a reason to melt. This pick has nothing to do with grabbing the city attention lol adding Zion to a playoff team is grabbing the city attention. And the rest of the things you said is just straight garbage, I love how people just do a quick search of his stats and think they know how his career will turn out. I remember how everyone said Lamelo couldn't shoot playing in the same league and has light it up since day 1 in the NBA.
Why are you so angry lol
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:35 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:It is a moderate level of competition at best. I recall reading an article from Fran Fraschilla a few years ago where he ranked the top leagues outside of the NBA. He did not have the NBL ranked that highly.
The NBL is pretty high level for a non-NBA league. Its also a lot more physical and rougher than most other leagues.
edit - it was actually 5 years ago, so a bit dated. Here it is - LINK
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 2:35 pm to Bronc
I do remember how good Batum was tbh (max ish player) and I don’t see Dieng being that good at his peak. That’s kind of my issue. But it’s just one man’s opinion. They’ve done more HW on him obviously. But I hope they aren’t getting clouded with optimism bias bc we have a guy that looks similar to him in the building in Brandon Ingram and the guy simply says he wants to play like Brandon Ingram.
I’m not that convinced that Brandon Ingram’s grow on trees, just because you give them Louisiana sunshine and some time with Fred Vinson.
I’m not that convinced that Brandon Ingram’s grow on trees, just because you give them Louisiana sunshine and some time with Fred Vinson.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 3:10 pm
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