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re: We get the 3rd pick in the draft
Posted on 5/14/16 at 6:07 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
Posted on 5/14/16 at 6:07 pm to Let Me Take A Selfie
I'm still on the bandwagon. We don't need another pg if jrue is the future and Tyreke is here. Need a shooter and hield can knock down buckets.
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Posted on 5/14/16 at 6:10 pm to MrPel
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We get the 3rd pick in the draft
I clicked in this thread with excitement
When is damn lottery selection?
Trade back for #NoBallForJamal
Posted on 5/14/16 at 6:30 pm to DJ3K
May 17th
Posted on 5/14/16 at 10:41 pm to htran90
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just did the ESPN lottery, we got 3 and took Murray.
I just did it and we got #7. We ended up taking Ellenson. Brown fell down to the Kings at #9. I'd be pretty depressed if it went down that way.
I really like Dunn, but the more I watch him the more he kind of reminds me of Evans. I'm not really even sure that we need to go PG or SG until we work out the whole Holiday/Evans dilemma. I just hope we can hit in the top 2 and score Ingram some kind of way..
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:46 am to DJ3K
A big man with length who is agile enough to switch onto small forwards, and even some guards. A guy who sees the floor on offense and passes well for his size, and has potential in both the low post and from the perimeter. If you just look at the skill set and aren't told he is a foreign guy or a couple of years away, you would take Bender. Him and AD would allow you to play big, small ball - something no other team could do at that level if Bender hits his ceiling.
Him or Murray should undoubtedly be the pick if they land at 3, but this team isn't taking a guy who is a few years away, so no need to talk about either of them. But those would be my two guys I bring in and debate between.
Him or Murray should undoubtedly be the pick if they land at 3, but this team isn't taking a guy who is a few years away, so no need to talk about either of them. But those would be my two guys I bring in and debate between.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:49 am to htran90
I did it and ESPN gave us buddy at 3 and tankathon gave us bender at 3
Posted on 5/15/16 at 9:56 am to Crewz
Watch old drafts on NBA TV. When you see a team make a dumb pick with a much better player on the board, it is ALWAYS because they are drafting for their current roster. They don't take a SG, because they already have a decent SG.
But the player you draft won't be in his prime for 3-6 years. And rosters turn over numerous times in that span. Never, ever, ever, draft with your current roster in mind. Always just take the best player. The guy who will have the best career in your opinion.
If you think that will be Buddy, fine. Then, that is your argument. But your argument should never be: He is what we need now. Because what you need will be different, possibly, when all these guys hit their prime. Always go BPA.
But the player you draft won't be in his prime for 3-6 years. And rosters turn over numerous times in that span. Never, ever, ever, draft with your current roster in mind. Always just take the best player. The guy who will have the best career in your opinion.
If you think that will be Buddy, fine. Then, that is your argument. But your argument should never be: He is what we need now. Because what you need will be different, possibly, when all these guys hit their prime. Always go BPA.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 10:13 am to Crewz
The "couple years away" crap is some fable. Look at the top players right now in the game. How many were project athletes that you had to wait on? Your best bet is to look at the trio drafted by OKC, one singular team. GS (Green, Curry, Thompson) all productive low risk picks. Seriously, concoct a top 20-25 and tell me how many of them were just dog shite in college or underwhelming overseas and became big stars in the NBA. Cause it seems to me the guys at the top are winning with basketball IQ or so-easy-you-can't-frick-it-up talent. So yeah, I'm gonna bank on Dunn or Hield being the next CJ, Dame, Curry (productive older college talent) than expect Bender to be the 100th person who's the "next Dirk".
Posted on 5/15/16 at 10:39 am to Crewz
+1 on both posts.
The Pels are in a spot, either with a talent deficit, fit, or expirings, where they need help everywhere. BPA is fine for them.
The sad thing about them likely going for "win now" this summer is that they still have time, even at this point, to build a long term team around Davis. They should be building for 3, 5, 7 years down the line. Give Davis a reason to believe he is in a good spot in NO
The Pels are in a spot, either with a talent deficit, fit, or expirings, where they need help everywhere. BPA is fine for them.
The sad thing about them likely going for "win now" this summer is that they still have time, even at this point, to build a long term team around Davis. They should be building for 3, 5, 7 years down the line. Give Davis a reason to believe he is in a good spot in NO
Posted on 5/15/16 at 10:49 am to ShamelessPel
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couple years away
I read that as more that all rookies need time to develop and grow, regardless of polish or pedigree.
PFlanns with a nice draft focused Sunday Shootaround.
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'm gonna bank on Dunn or Hield being the next CJ, Dame, Curry (productive older college talent) than expect Bender to be the 100th person who's the "next Dirk"
This stuff is where organization matters so very much. How big/thorough is your scouting department? How many voices are heard? Are your coach/GM on the same page? Does ownership dictate who the pick is (Stauskas!) or do they trust the guys they hired? How is your developmental staff? Do you have structure which supports and pushes young players?
Its all a crapshoot, but the teams that hit on Draymond or Curry or Thompson or Parsons or Leonard (and so on) usually check those boxes.
The teams that end up in the lottery year after year usually don't check those boxes.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 10:59 am to corndeaux
There's not a single position on this team that is solidified. So I'm pretty sure every single poster on this site is choosing their BPA and building around the premise of AD. MM is making up feaux arguments for his guys. We should go project player cause Hield and Dunn are "win now" moves. WTF is that nonsense? Just cause Hield is older and can score doesn't make it a "win now" pick. He could very feasibly be the best of the rest. Again, see above exercise. You don't have to be the best athlete or the craziest hybrid to be a great player. You need to have basketball IQ, a fundamental skill set that can translate at the next level, and the drive and fire to get better. Dunn and Hield have those qualities. It's very very easy to see why people would expect them to be good or better NBA players.
That read was very entertaining. Brown is certainly intriguing but I can see the intellectual being a red flag. He may study the game and work his arse off, even having a competitive fire to win. But is it even possible to bring out the bulldog in someone so intellectual? Part of what makes Dunn and Hield appealing is you can easily see that switch flip. Murray is another that worries me. I'm higher on intangibles than most, but it's not infallible obviously as AR had work ethic and an attitude on the court and he never lived up to expectations.
That read was very entertaining. Brown is certainly intriguing but I can see the intellectual being a red flag. He may study the game and work his arse off, even having a competitive fire to win. But is it even possible to bring out the bulldog in someone so intellectual? Part of what makes Dunn and Hield appealing is you can easily see that switch flip. Murray is another that worries me. I'm higher on intangibles than most, but it's not infallible obviously as AR had work ethic and an attitude on the court and he never lived up to expectations.
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Posted on 5/15/16 at 11:12 am to corndeaux
"My guys" = LMAO. Like I get any kind of prize if they take Bender or Murray.
I have no issues with Dunn and Hield - only guy I dont want is Jaylen Brown.
My whole point was that your argument should never be "He's what we need now." What you need is always moving.
And there are very, very, very few 19 year olds who help their team win in the first 2-3 years. Many put up solid stats, but that is a very different thing that helping your team win. You look at the guys who helped their team win in their first contract, and the vast majority were upperclassmen. The Pelicans know this, which is why I am 100% sure they are going to take an upperclassman or trade the pick.
Personally, I think Murray has the best career of those second tier guys. Just my opinion
I have no issues with Dunn and Hield - only guy I dont want is Jaylen Brown.
My whole point was that your argument should never be "He's what we need now." What you need is always moving.
And there are very, very, very few 19 year olds who help their team win in the first 2-3 years. Many put up solid stats, but that is a very different thing that helping your team win. You look at the guys who helped their team win in their first contract, and the vast majority were upperclassmen. The Pelicans know this, which is why I am 100% sure they are going to take an upperclassman or trade the pick.
Personally, I think Murray has the best career of those second tier guys. Just my opinion
Posted on 5/15/16 at 11:16 am to Crewz
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"My guys" = LMAO. Like I get any kind of prize if they take Bender or Murray
On this board of all places, you're going to act like you have no ego? Come on man...
Posted on 5/15/16 at 11:21 am to MrPel
I'm going Heild
I know a lot of people knock his athleticism and measurables but I truly think he will be a star player in this league. He has an already elite skill in shooting, he has a high basketball IQ and is a known leader. He builds a teams chemistry. He will work himself to the bone for the team and has massive fricking balls in the end of games with a successful record to show for it. I'd love to have him around AD going forward.
Plus he's a big trash talker and I love that.
I know a lot of people knock his athleticism and measurables but I truly think he will be a star player in this league. He has an already elite skill in shooting, he has a high basketball IQ and is a known leader. He builds a teams chemistry. He will work himself to the bone for the team and has massive fricking balls in the end of games with a successful record to show for it. I'd love to have him around AD going forward.
Plus he's a big trash talker and I love that.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 11:51 am to sma19
Before you react, please understand that I AM NOT comparing the to players games, but
Adam Morrison had that same desire to win, IQ, and leadership. Guy loved the game as much as any player ever and lifted an entire program up.
None of that will matter if you aren't a great player at the next level. I just see that said a lot about Hield, and it is one small part of the evaluation IMO. It is an added bonus if a player can excel skill wise.
My two biggest gripes with Hield has been his ball handling, specifically going left, and where he releases the ball. I think he will get blocked far more in the pros. I also don't love how he doesn't impact the game very much outside of scoring. The top 20-25 guys all have a great 2nd attribute that helps their teams win games even when they are off. What is Hield going to do for you on the nights his shot isn't falling.
I can see him becoming Mitch Richmond, and Richmond made a bunch of all star games, but do players like that really help you win if they are your 2nd or 3rd guy? Your 2nd or 3rd guy has to be able to help your team in multiple ways, and I don't know if Hield can do that.
All that said, I'd still be fine with Hield if Murray is off the board.
Adam Morrison had that same desire to win, IQ, and leadership. Guy loved the game as much as any player ever and lifted an entire program up.
None of that will matter if you aren't a great player at the next level. I just see that said a lot about Hield, and it is one small part of the evaluation IMO. It is an added bonus if a player can excel skill wise.
My two biggest gripes with Hield has been his ball handling, specifically going left, and where he releases the ball. I think he will get blocked far more in the pros. I also don't love how he doesn't impact the game very much outside of scoring. The top 20-25 guys all have a great 2nd attribute that helps their teams win games even when they are off. What is Hield going to do for you on the nights his shot isn't falling.
I can see him becoming Mitch Richmond, and Richmond made a bunch of all star games, but do players like that really help you win if they are your 2nd or 3rd guy? Your 2nd or 3rd guy has to be able to help your team in multiple ways, and I don't know if Hield can do that.
All that said, I'd still be fine with Hield if Murray is off the board.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 12:03 pm to Crewz
It depends on what you are expecting out of jrue/Tyreke.
If hield was a 17/2/2 guy who knocks down 3s about 40% and wasn't injury prone, would you be happy with that? I would be. Klay Thompson is a plus defender, but he's not bringing much outside of scoring loads of points. Even when curry was out, he wasn't doing much else for the team.
If hield was a 17/2/2 guy who knocks down 3s about 40% and wasn't injury prone, would you be happy with that? I would be. Klay Thompson is a plus defender, but he's not bringing much outside of scoring loads of points. Even when curry was out, he wasn't doing much else for the team.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 12:10 pm to Crewz
I agree with you that you almost always take BPA in the NBA. Rosters are too fluid.
The only thing I wouldn't be too thrilled about is a true PF. I'm kind of sick of the duplication with AD. But if that's the BPA.
Under no circumstances would I see Poetle as the BPA at 6/7 though.
The only thing I wouldn't be too thrilled about is a true PF. I'm kind of sick of the duplication with AD. But if that's the BPA.
Under no circumstances would I see Poetle as the BPA at 6/7 though.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 12:12 pm to Crewz
The thing about Heild is I'm fairly confident that he has one elite NBA skill. He's not like Morrison. He can get that shot off.
The rest of his game has some concerns, but I'm pretty confident at the least he can be a shooter.
The rest of his game has some concerns, but I'm pretty confident at the least he can be a shooter.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 4:59 pm to Fun Bunch
Again, I want to be very clear - I am not comparing Morrison and Hield at all
My point is that all that leadership and intensity stuff ONLY matters if you play well. Another example - Shabazz Napier. Guy was a killer, like Buddy, his last year in college. Leader, hard worker, etc. but none of that matters if you can't play at a high level in the NBA. Those attributes become useless.
They are bonus attributes, essentially. But first you gotta determine if the guy can be a high impact player. I think Buddy will fall somewhere between Redick and Richmond, personally. I don't have to hate him to prefer Murray. I see Murray as Lillard. I just like him more.
My point is that all that leadership and intensity stuff ONLY matters if you play well. Another example - Shabazz Napier. Guy was a killer, like Buddy, his last year in college. Leader, hard worker, etc. but none of that matters if you can't play at a high level in the NBA. Those attributes become useless.
They are bonus attributes, essentially. But first you gotta determine if the guy can be a high impact player. I think Buddy will fall somewhere between Redick and Richmond, personally. I don't have to hate him to prefer Murray. I see Murray as Lillard. I just like him more.
Posted on 5/15/16 at 7:11 pm to Crewz
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My point is that all that leadership and intensity stuff ONLY matters if you play well
For me the intensity and leadership is really lagniappe. It's certainly on the positive side of a T chart for me but its much lower on the list.
The parts of his character that really impress me are his incredible work ethic, drive to improve and the willingness to accept criticism positively.
Lots of good posts and points though. Personally if we got 3 I may be with you and take the risk on the upside of Bender. Though I go back and forth from day to day. Not the biggest Murray fan, though not opposed to him or anything. I hear a lot of Mccollum, Billups comparisons and certainly that seems possible. I also see a much more likely OJ Mayo scenario. Which isnt bad and I realize he certainly could be much, much more but pushed between Hield or Murray I still like Hield.
This post was edited on 5/15/16 at 7:21 pm
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