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re: Whose minutes does CJ take?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:18 pm to Terrific Tales
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:18 pm to Terrific Tales
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I think Dyson needs more minutes than Jose personally
Yes. Dyson is such a good on ball defender and his offense is coming along. Plus he’s an efficient facilitator.
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Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:30 pm to touchdownjeebus
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Ryan isn’t gonna disappear bro. He brings shooting. He will get on the floor in quite a few sets. He isn’t gonna get insane minutes, but he will get some.
Again, assuming we’re ever fully healthy, Ryan will get more DNPs than games where he plays. There are only so many minutes and there is no argument to be made that he’s a rotation player if we are fully healthy.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:34 pm to gotiger
Reducing Dyson’s minutes while he’s starting to find his footing is definitely something willie would do
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:38 pm to GynoSandberg
I know this is crazy talk but I hate breaking up a good thing while working. CJ has been fantastic this year but man Dyson/Herb in starting lineup has really clicked. Do you guys think Willie would ask CJ to come off the bench but still give him the minutes he needs?
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
Dyson is not starting for CJ 
There may be some matchups where he gets more time than others but he’s not starting over CJ.
There may be some matchups where he gets more time than others but he’s not starting over CJ.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:43 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:There's a dunute number of minutes obviously, not sure what else Willie can do. Only realistic options would be for Dyson to get more minutes than Herb or CJ or Trey and all of those aren't actually realistic.
Reducing Dyson’s minutes while he’s starting to find his footing is definitely something willie would do
Dyson is certainly coming among as you said but the goal is win now and CJ is just much better right now, so you can't cut his minutes.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:43 pm to MrJimBeam
Like I said I know it sounds crazy but the starting lineup really benefits from Dysons defense in my opinion. I love CJ and I still think he can get the minutes he needs, but the Dyson/Herb lineup really set the defensive tone when starting the game.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:44 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:No, nor should he
Do you guys think Willie would ask CJ to come off the bench but still give him the minutes he needs?
He could work out the protections so CJ can do both, start and get minutes with the bench.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 10:53 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Do you guys think Willie would ask CJ to come off the bench but still give him the minutes he needs?
It’s great to be excited, but this is what is referred to as a MASSIVE overreaction.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Posted byMessagePels_YazWhose minutes does CJ take? by Pels_YazLike I said I know it sounds crazy but the starting lineup really benefits from Dysons defense in my opinion. I love CJ and I still think he can get the minutes he needs, but the Dyson/Herb lineup really set the defensive tone when starting the game.
I don’t think there’s a chance in hell this happens. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this team plays well when they bring the energy on the defensive end of the court AND SHARE THE BALL ON OFFENSE. Dyson does both of those things extremely well. Hard to not agree with you.
Assuming that doesn’t happen, CJ definitely needs to play within the offense and not try to take anyone off the dribble to try and get to the goal. He doesn’t have the quickness to do that anymore and needs to realize that he’s better served initiating offense and then moving off the ball
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:11 pm to LSUgrad88
The Dyson/Herb starting lineup is a +37 in 42 minutes of play. I love CJ but his best asset is scoring which in a lineup with JV, BI and Zion is not needed as much in the starting lineup.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:17 pm to Pels_Yaz
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The Dyson/Herb starting lineup is a +37 in 42 minutes of play. I love CJ but his best asset is scoring which in a lineup with JV, BI and Zion is not needed as much in the starting lineup.
You’re absolutely right. Let’s replace a guy with 10 years of sustained high quality NBA play, because of two fricking games where everyone on the court played great. Are you really basing doing something like this off of two games of +/- totals?? Seriously? Why can’t we just enjoy playing some really great basketball the last few games without losing our minds and overreacting like a 10 year old.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:21 pm to LSUgrad88
I’m guessing you’re not a fan of plus/minus with your extreme overreaction to my post like a 5 year old. Those two games were against the two best teams in the west. No one is losing their minds- you need to relax. Sometimes things click better. Its honestly a reasonable question to ask.
Honestly the major question you need to ask is whether the starting lineup needs more scoring or two elite defenders on the ball? Plus/minus shows it needs the 2 elite defenders. I agree lets see how this plays out after more games but I think the lineup may be better with Herb/Dyson.
Honestly the major question you need to ask is whether the starting lineup needs more scoring or two elite defenders on the ball? Plus/minus shows it needs the 2 elite defenders. I agree lets see how this plays out after more games but I think the lineup may be better with Herb/Dyson.
This post was edited on 11/20/23 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:25 pm to LSUgrad88
I’m with Pels_Yaz. It’s a reasonable question to ask. Partially why I started this post.
CJ is a liability on defense. In a league with dominant guards, CJ can’t defend them. And, we don’t need him to try and score with them either.
That doesn’t mean I don’t love CJ and his offensive game. But there are matchups where he may be better served playing less minutes in favor of Dyson/Jose tandem because we actually have the ability to score without him
CJ is a liability on defense. In a league with dominant guards, CJ can’t defend them. And, we don’t need him to try and score with them either.
That doesn’t mean I don’t love CJ and his offensive game. But there are matchups where he may be better served playing less minutes in favor of Dyson/Jose tandem because we actually have the ability to score without him
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:29 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Plus/minus shows it needs the 2 elite defenders.
Remember the Dallas game, where our run of really great play started? Remember how great Herb was in that game? Guess who had the worst +/- of any starter in that game. Yep. Herb. That must mean he played the worst of all our starters, right. It’s just laughable.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:33 pm to LSUgrad88
You’re looking at individual plus/minus which can be altered by the players you play with. Its silly to compare that with plus/minus of certain lineup of players together. Its remotely not the same but ok I can tell you think all analytics are just laughable.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:34 pm to TriggaTrey
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It’s a reasonable question to ask. Partially why I started this post.
No it’s really not. You’re not going to replace your ten year vet and team leader in the starting lineup because we had a good three game stretch. It’s just not going to happen, nor should it. Dyson will continue to play big minutes as he should. Minutes is what really matters anyway, not who starts. You do realize tonight we were actually losing at the end of the first quarter. Then starting lineup will play 6 minutes or so together of a 48 minute game, and then minutes will be staggered accordingly. So if Dyson continues playing really well he will continue to get big minutes.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Its silly to compare that with plus/minus of certain lineup of players together. Its remotely not the same but ok
So you think one game of +/- for comparison purposes is silly, but a couple of games (again when everyone is playing great) isn’t? C’mon.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:38 pm to LSUgrad88
I’ll throw another stat since you love them so much. In 42 minutes of play if you switch Dyson for CJ. The team is a -12. I will say this again its more than reasonable question to ask. But I doubt Willie starts Dyson over a healthy CJ but I can promise you people on his staff will let him know of the plus/minus of those lineups.
Posted on 11/20/23 at 11:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
Let. It. Go.
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