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re: Why the hate for Jaxson Hayes?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:38 pm to PrayingMantis
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:38 pm to PrayingMantis
Because he has no shot he can depend on.
No go-to moves.
He can't really play basketball.
He can play defense and dunk.
The hate comes from passing on six or 8 guys, who can actually play.
I was thinking that this is going to go down as a terrible draft for the pels.
Awful
Awful
Awful.
No go-to moves.
He can't really play basketball.
He can play defense and dunk.
The hate comes from passing on six or 8 guys, who can actually play.
I was thinking that this is going to go down as a terrible draft for the pels.
Awful
Awful
Awful.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:38 pm to landrywasbeast30
zion is literally almost 100 lbs heavier than Giannis was during the pre-draft process 
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:39 pm to CelticDog
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The hate comes from passing on hachimura,
hell no man
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:43 pm to supe12sta12z
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I think we need consider the fact that we do not know what Zion’s full list of skillset yet. He may have a lot more perimeter abilities than we know especially ball handling. If he’s a guy who can initiate the offense and create, he’ll fit with any big man.
see and isn't that the point? he's still 18. he's growing and his game is changing. we want him to explore all areas of his game. to be free to try being a point-big. to be able to try roaming on defense, to be what he thinks he is and to make mistakes along the way. that's how he'll develop into an even better player and the best version of Zion is the best version of the Pelicans.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:45 pm to whodat24
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miniscule thing to become salty over
Minuscule? I’m of the opinion that a 5 who can space the floor is the best fit next to Zion. I would say most people who understand basketball would agree with me.
I’m not salty. I just disagree with people saying he is a great fit, and people projecting this guy out to do something he hasn’t shown he is capable of doing.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:45 pm to Bronc
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People are in here acting like Hayes is this homerun of a pick,
He has homerun potential. Nobody in this draft after the first three picks is a homerun.
I was begging for us to pick Hayes at #8 because he has by far the highest ceiling of any player on the board at that time.
But, yeah, Hayes could be a bust, just like everyone selected after him.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:47 pm to landrywasbeast30
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I’m of the opinion the a 5 who can space the floor is the best fit next to Zion. I would say most people who understand basketball would agree with me.
if people disagreed with you they wouldn't be talking about Niko, Al Horford, Dewayne Dedmon, Myles Turner, etc
thing is, the Pelicans believe Hayes is the next Myles Turner or the next Jarrett Allen
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:47 pm to CelticDog
You cant teach instincts, 7’0 with a 7’4 wingspan, and athleticism.
This guy wouldve been pick no 1 in the old nba like a tyson chandler. He is a great pick at 8. He was supposed to be picked in that range. He is a tyson chandler/deandre jordan clone at worst.
And he shot 70% from FT line. So that is a really good indicator that he could eventually also step out and add a 3 ball to his game. He is literally the best big we couldve gotten in this draft to pair with Zion long term.
We are going to get an experienced big to groom them both. Pellies made a great pic.
Pels talk has proven itself completely ignorant about bball lately.
This guy wouldve been pick no 1 in the old nba like a tyson chandler. He is a great pick at 8. He was supposed to be picked in that range. He is a tyson chandler/deandre jordan clone at worst.
And he shot 70% from FT line. So that is a really good indicator that he could eventually also step out and add a 3 ball to his game. He is literally the best big we couldve gotten in this draft to pair with Zion long term.
We are going to get an experienced big to groom them both. Pellies made a great pic.
Pels talk has proven itself completely ignorant about bball lately.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:51 pm to P bean
I love all the traffic we've had on Pels Talk. But with more traffic comes more opinions. And you're bound to have more bad takes.
seems like we got more than we bargained for
seems like we got more than we bargained for
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:51 pm to DeionDeion
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I understand that. But I think a defensive, rim running big is a good fit next to Zion. Is it perfect? Not currently, but at the very least an athletic, rim protecting big allows Zion to play free and be him.
But either way, you have to look at Hayes as a project, not as someone who will play 35 mpg next season. you hope that can develop into a guy that makes Zion the best version of himself on the court. It may work, it may not, but if doesn't work out it doesn't hurt as much as giving Omer Asik $15 mil a year
And we are still planning on going out and getting a big next to Zion for the immediate first few years of his career.
Most reasonable take I’ve seen yet defending Hayes on the Pels.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:53 pm to Bronc
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If Zion projects to be the ultra small ball five through a not insignificant chunk of games, and never fully develops a reliable jumper, which is one of the more realistic projections, Hayes is not a great fit short or long-term unless he beats the odds and drastically develops parts of his game that are entirely non-existent now.
If Vinson and Hanson cannot get either one to develop a perimeter shot (even though they got Randle to shoot the ball respectable this year) and Zion is used as a small ball center and not in more of an iniator role and we keep Ball, Jrue, Ingram long term and their shots don't improve, then they are a bad fit offensively in the half court.
But that still underrates what a Jaxson/Zion pairing is going to do defensively and in transition offense. The people who hate the move seem to only be focusing on half court offense.
We don't know what Zion is going to be. He was not used optimally at Duke and the game he played without Tre Jones was really intriguing. I think Hayes upside potential is AD lite in terms of a versatile rim protector, pick and roll monster with a decent mid range and passable perimeter shot. He won't be as smooth as AD with the handle or nearly as polished of shooter/scorer, but I think he will be able to operate in the same zones.
If we assume they don't improve skills with Hayes upside potential being Capela like in terms of skill set and Zion being Giannis like in terms of skillset then:
Good Fit - transition offense, defense
Poor Fit - half court offense
At that point, if Zion develops that way then Jrue, Lonzo, and Ingram will be just as if not more concerning.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:56 pm to DeionDeion
Lol, oh we did. Some of it has just been ridiculous though. The media is praising our moves, meanwhile our dumbass board thinks the Pels are blowing it. Actually we’re killing it. Griffin is putting on a clinic.
This board bitched about the lakers trade, atl trade, picks, everything, when they were great moves. We snagged BI, Lonzo, Hart, J. Hayes, and naw. NAW is a dog too. He lead VTech to a 26 win season. They beat Duke too. Sigh
This board bitched about the lakers trade, atl trade, picks, everything, when they were great moves. We snagged BI, Lonzo, Hart, J. Hayes, and naw. NAW is a dog too. He lead VTech to a 26 win season. They beat Duke too. Sigh
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:56 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Minuscule? I’m of the opinion the a 5 who can space the floor is the best fit next to Zion. I would say most people who understand basketball would agree with me.
no one disagrees with this.
Why do you think Hayes can't space the floor?
Why do you think Hayes will never be able to make a mid range jump shot, or a three.
Are you expecting this from him this year, b/c if you are, then there is your mistake.
He has a high floor b/c of his athleticism and defense. If he develops any kind of shot, which everyone seems to think he can, he will be a very good 5 in the NBA for a very long time.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 12:59 pm to NOFOX
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Jaxson/Zion pairing is going to do defensively and in transition offense. The people who hate the move seem to only be focusing on half court offense.
truth
I'm comfy that Zion will improve his outside shooting.
Hayes was a need reach.
Pels could have got Windler.
Complete game.
6 8
all kinds of shot making.
Passes.
Runs the floor.
Should have got a big euro in round 2 to be the big in middle.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 1:00 pm to NOFOX
What the asswipe you are responding to doesn’t understand is that Hayes shot over 70% from the free-throw line in college which means that he projects to be a decent shooter in the pros. Free-throw line percentage is a great indicator of how well you can shoot over all. Its how they knew AD would develop into a good shooter.
Can these nitwits who don’t know shite about basketball shut up already? Hayes projects to be able to shoot, stop saying that he is not projected to be able to hit shots.
Can these nitwits who don’t know shite about basketball shut up already? Hayes projects to be able to shoot, stop saying that he is not projected to be able to hit shots.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
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Who gives a shite about fit for this team year 1.
Fit matters in 3-4 years not really now.
Wasn’t talking about just for year 1. Even if both reach their projected ceiling, which is not likely, it still wouldn’t be an ideal fit. At least one of these guys has to break through their ceiling and develop a reliable 3 point shot.
Even if Zion develops a reliable 3, you still need at least 2 other knock down shooters to make Hayes a great fit.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 1:06 pm to P bean
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He is a tyson chandler/deandre jordan clone at worst.
Tyson Chandler is 83rd in WS in NBA history. DeAndre is 138th.
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Pels talk has proven itself completely ignorant
Yeah like saying the 8th pick in the draft will be at worst one of the top 200 players in NBA history. I don’t think some of you understand what “at worst” means.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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zion is literally almost 100 lbs heavier than Giannis was during the pre-draft process
Didn’t realize guys had to be the same height and weight for their games to be similar.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 1:09 pm to 1ranter1
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I don’t think some of you understand what “at worst” means.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 1:10 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Even if Zion develops a reliable 3, you still need at least 2 other knock down shooters to make Hayes a great fit.
so you admit the problem isn't with Hayes, it's with the 3 guards we have.
luckily we aren't in some life or death situation to win a championship this year or next, or the next so we can develop the young core of players we have, make trades, make more draft picks, and sign FA's to build around our superstar.
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