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re: Why the hate for Jaxson Hayes?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:37 pm to landrywasbeast30
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:37 pm to landrywasbeast30
What if...and this might be completely crazy...Zion develops a 3 point shot.
And what if...and this is nuts too...Ingram shoots from 3 what he's already done in year two.
We have about a million picks over the next few years. Yes, Ball and Ingram could be replaced. That isn't crazy to even think.
And what if...and this is nuts too...Ingram shoots from 3 what he's already done in year two.
We have about a million picks over the next few years. Yes, Ball and Ingram could be replaced. That isn't crazy to even think.
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:38 pm to Philippines4LSU
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Your takes are bad because they’re poorly reasoned.
Sure. It’s not because I’m on a Pels board debating Pels fans who have already convinced themselves this dude will undoubtedly develop a shot because he was an okay free throw shooter.
The good take is to just assume a project big who didn’t take one 3 in college will develop it. Cause we all know the norm is that project bigs who are taken for their athleticism and potential are a sure thing, and they even learn to shoot.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:39 pm to theducks
The Pelicans have never been a high volume 3 point shooting team under Gentry. Whether that’s due to personnel or by design, it’s something to ponder about.
The Pelicans have been all about points in the paint for the most part and that usually drives their deep ball.
The Pelicans have been all about points in the paint for the most part and that usually drives their deep ball.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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What if...and this might be completely crazy...Zion develops a 3 point shot.
And what if...and this is nuts too...Ingram shoots from 3 what he's already done in year two.
We have about a million picks over the next few years. Yes, Ball and Ingram could be replaced. That isn't crazy to even think.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:41 pm to Fun Bunch
You keep putting your roster together on what ifs then we will end up with Zion wanting out just like AD
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:45 pm to P bean
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Why do you continue to assume he is limited to Clint Capela
I’m not saying he is limited to that. I’m saying that is his most likely outcome. Hell, he would be lucky to turn into Clint Capela. How is that worse then people assuming he will reach his absolute maximum potential? That is in fact the far less likely outcome out of anything.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:45 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Sure. It’s not because I’m on a Pels board debating Pels fans who have already convinced themselves this dude will undoubtedly develop a shot because he was an okay free throw shooter.
You do realize that the reason the picked him at 8, is b/c they expect to be able to develop his shot. If they didn't think that, they wouldn't have taken him at 8. There's still a good chance he fails as an nba player, but they drafted him b/c the potential for him to develop that shot seems very evident.
If more than 2 people from this draft class make an all star team, that would be a surprise.
It doesn't matter who you take, Garland, Culver, Hayes, Goga, etc., the odds of them being a really good starter aren't very high.
If you can't see the potential that Hayes has to be a defensive specialist, AND to develop a shot, then you need to go back and watch some more film on him, or you simply don't know anything about basketball.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:47 pm to Saintsntigers04
The Zion Pels have so much more working for them than the AD Pels did in 2012 
The only move that worked out with AD was Jrue. Until Buddy Hield showed up, that team was both lacking in talent and cash (with bad injury luck). Then Hield was made into Cousins (good trade even though it ended poorly).
Zion Pels have young assets, lots of draft capital, and it seems as though the team will be content with developing guys instead of trying to get vets to compete out the gate.
The only move that worked out with AD was Jrue. Until Buddy Hield showed up, that team was both lacking in talent and cash (with bad injury luck). Then Hield was made into Cousins (good trade even though it ended poorly).
Zion Pels have young assets, lots of draft capital, and it seems as though the team will be content with developing guys instead of trying to get vets to compete out the gate.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:47 pm to supe12sta12z
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The Pelicans have never been a high volume 3 point shooting team under Gentry. Whether that’s due to personnel or by design, it’s something to ponder about.
The Pelicans have been all about points in the paint for the most part and that usually drives their deep ball.
Yeah probably why we ranked 6th in the NBA in FG% this season and 2nd in the NBA last year.
Also this year we ranked 3rd in PPG, 5th in Rebounds per game, and 3rd in assists per game. (just some stats I found interesting)
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
No one is denying he can't be good on defense.. This team has plenty of defense already
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:49 pm to theducks
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He doesn’t have to be a good shooter to be good though
I’m sorry, please point to where I said he had to become a good shooter to be a good player. Him developing a shot is only relevant to his best fit in different situations. I mentioned how great of a fit he would be with a team like Atlanta.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:50 pm to landrywasbeast30
Stop trolling a-hole! Lol
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:50 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Sure. It’s not because I’m on a Pels board debating Pels fans who have already convinced themselves this dude will undoubtedly develop a shot because he was an okay free throw shooter.
If you could defend your opinion with sound logic the vast majority on here would respect it.
When you selectively ignore direct counterpoints because addressing them would go against your narrative, it’s difficult to take your argument seriously.
Not trying to be a dick man. I appreciate differing points of view.
It’s not your opinion that’s at issue here. Hope that helps.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:52 pm to Hester Carries
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That's literally a shot
A stand still shot not defended that is probably the most practiced thing for anyone who has ever played basketball other than maybe a layup.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 2:53 pm to Philippines4LSU
He’s trolling. This guy is bored at work and wants to argue. Nothing to see here.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:04 pm to P bean
Absurd Jaxson Hayes stat - the Longhorns were only 16-16 in the 32 games that Hayes played last season, but yet his net rating was +43.1, per @bball_ref. I don't even know how that is possible.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:05 pm to Fun Bunch
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No one is assuming this. You're the one making the assumptions.
The entire reason people are coming at me is because I’m saying what the likely outcome for him is based on the history of the NBA, while y’all are convinced he will develop a shot, specifically a 3 point shot.
I just don’t see how anyone thinking objectively about this would think my take is the wrong take.
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your stance is dumb. No one knows what Griffin's plan is, what this team will look like in a few years,
Yeah you go ahead and keep making a point I never argued. You said I’m assuming. This quote is based on assuming Griff replaces young guys he just traded for who are supposed to be part of the future. Am I not supposed to look at this team with the idea that Ball and Ingram are long term pieces?
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7 foot rim runners that protect the rim and play defense and can knock down FTs are always valuable, in any era.
Never said they weren’t. My point was always about the fit of different types of players.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:10 pm to Saintsntigers04
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You keep putting your roster together on what ifs then we will end up with Zion wanting out just like AD
yes, that is exactly the point.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:11 pm to landrywasbeast30
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A stand still shot not defended that is probably the most practiced thing for anyone who has ever played basketball other than maybe a layup.
Ever wonder if there is a correspondence between good FT shooting and good shots from other areas?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 3:11 pm to landrywasbeast30
People saying that Zion doesn't have a shot are ignorant. Zion does have a shot, it's just the weakest part of his all-around game. That's the only knock on his game rn is that his shooting could be better. But he shot almost 40% from three in the second half of the season. You are a concern troll if you think Hayes cannot develop a shot. He has a nice midrange jimbo with good form that just wasn't his role at Texas. It's obvious that Griffin/Langdon believe they can work on Hayes shot otherwise they wouldn't have picked him. I mean did you watch any of the dude's highlights? He has a nice post hook already with nice touch going to the hoop. The thing that concerns me the most with Hayes is his rebounding and that's just form because he used to be a guard and isn't used to having to rebound.
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