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Zion and a first for Dame
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:10 am
Absolutely you do it and you do it yesterday
FYI Jaxon Hayes wasn’t that bad as this board made him out to be showed a lot of potential when he started 2 years ago. I do not think he is even 24 yet
FYI Jaxon Hayes wasn’t that bad as this board made him out to be showed a lot of potential when he started 2 years ago. I do not think he is even 24 yet
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Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:12 am to lsutigers23
I agree with the first point. Couldn’t agree less with the second
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:13 am to lsutigers23
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Jaxon Hayes wasn’t that bad as this board made him out to be
This board didn't control his playing time.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:25 am to lsutigers23
quote:Maybe, maybe not
FYI Jaxon Hayes wasn’t that bad as this board made him out to be
But he was definitely bad.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:37 am to lsutigers23
I would not deal Zion for Dame unless we got assets back.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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I would not deal Zion for Dame unless we got assets back.
Prepare to get all the downvotes but I agree. The idea of paying 34 year old Lillard $48m, 35 year old Lillard $58m, and 35 year old Lillard $63m is just not an attractive situation. Want to make sure we don't keep Trey, Herb, Dyson, BI, etc this is how. We still have massive holes in the post with the trade.
For comparison Zion's highest base is in 2027 and is $44m.
Lillard is an all in move, but we don't have the roster to go all in.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 10:01 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:09 am to lionward2014
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The idea of paying 34 year old Lillard $48m, 35 year old Lillard $58m, and 35 year old Lillard $63m is just not an attractive situation
Exactly.
He also hasn't played 70 games in 4 years. These are his last 4 games played:
58
29
67
66
Now you can say he'd have played a few more last year, but how many, realistically?
66 and 67 were playoff years.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:21 am to lsutigers23
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Zion and a first for Dame
You ABSOLUTELY do this if Portland is dumb enough to take it!!!
Posted on 7/3/23 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
The assets are Dame. Your trading an often injured star for a bonafide proven superstar who scored 71 in a game last year. Shooters like Dame, see Curry, completely change your offense. I swear the same people who argue that we shouldn’t trade Zion for an unproven rookie(Scoot) are now arguing we cant trade Zion for a clearly superior star. Its mind boggling.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:04 am to Pels_Yaz
I know Zion's value isn't at its peak, but you don't trade a 22 player with extremely high superstar potential on a cheaper contract for a 33 year old all star player on a more expensive contract AND give up assets.
At that point you keep Zion and rehab his value, not give in, give up MORE assets instead of taking some in, all for a player who is going to be overpaid in a year or 2.
At that point you keep Zion and rehab his value, not give in, give up MORE assets instead of taking some in, all for a player who is going to be overpaid in a year or 2.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:08 am to bonethug0180
Its really simple. Do you guys actually want to win now or hope/pray Zion stays healthy(which he never has) in the chance he becomes this healthy amazing superstar? I think people on this board rather gamble on Zions health than actually winning now.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:08 am to lsutigers23
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FYI Jaxon Hayes wasn’t that bad as this board made him out to be showed a lot of potential when he started 2 years ago. I do not think he is even 24 yet
Jaxon Hayes should have played baseball with that name.
The only thing he did good was run and dunk on the basketball court.
Really hard to tell if that was his limitation or the coaching staffs limited vision for him.
Either way he's gone and I don't care.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:13 am to Pels_Yaz
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Your trading an often injured star for a bonafide proven superstar
An oft-injured All Star for an oft-injured All Star, who is a decade older.
quote:
Shooters like Dame, see Curry, completely change your offense.
Dame also changes your defense, because he sucks at it and can't defend in the playoffs.
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I swear the same people who argue that we shouldn’t trade Zion for an unproven rookie(Scoot)
Not it.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:14 am to Pels_Yaz
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. Do you guys actually want to win now or hope/pray Zion stays healthy
Dude Dame has problems staying healthy and he's a decade older than Zion.
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I think people on this board rather gamble on Zions health than actually winning now.
Yes. A potential dynasty or a few titles is worth it over a clear hard-capped ceiling for a year or 2 with Dame
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:17 am to Pels_Yaz
You mean maybe a 2 year window at best with Dame vs a potential decade or more with Zion? I'll take the long term view, and if Zion doesn't work out we have YEARS to flip him for someone else.
If we take Dame that's literally the end. Everything we have been building for just for a 1-2 year window.
If we take Dame that's literally the end. Everything we have been building for just for a 1-2 year window.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Potential dynasty???!! Few titkes??!! Hahahaha. What data are you basing this off of????
Dame has been shut down last 2 years because portland was trying to lose on purpose. He has been relatively healthy for his career and is performing like a superstar.
Dame has been shut down last 2 years because portland was trying to lose on purpose. He has been relatively healthy for his career and is performing like a superstar.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:18 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:You mean, they tried to lose on purpose after they didn't do any winning with Dame playing.
Dame has been shut down last 2 years because portland was trying to lose on purpose
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:19 am to Pels_Yaz
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Potential dynasty???!! Few titkes??!! Hahahaha. What data are you basing this off of????
Zion, BI, and Trey is an amazing trio potentially.
We also have a ton of draft capital and young talent to acquire pieces around that trio.
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Dame has been shut down last 2 years because portland was trying to lose on purpose. He has been relatively healthy for his career and is performing like a superstar.
Dame hasn't played 70 games in FOUR years. 2 of which, were playoff years.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:22 am to SlowFlowPro
NEVER trade young for old imo.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Our draft capital is not tons. Thats a myth. Lot of teams have more capital than us.
Again you live off potential. Go ahead because potential doesn’t matter wheb the one guy can’t stay healthy.
How many games has Zion played in a full season in four years? I dont think hes hit 70 once and three of those years are under 30 games. Yeah the health argument especially comparing any guy to Zion will not help you here.
Again you live off potential. Go ahead because potential doesn’t matter wheb the one guy can’t stay healthy.
How many games has Zion played in a full season in four years? I dont think hes hit 70 once and three of those years are under 30 games. Yeah the health argument especially comparing any guy to Zion will not help you here.
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