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re: Zion talking to media…
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:37 pm to England_Pelican
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:37 pm to England_Pelican
Clown show. Complete disgrace. Get your arse on the floor.
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:37 pm to shel311
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As a guy who was saying just earlier today "why won't Zion talk to the media" I am definitely now saying, "Why the frick would he talk to the media" if he was going to let us know he's virtually 100% physically healthy but refusing to play postseason basketball
It's only because you aren't acknowledging the obvious.
It's about his weight. His explanation doesn't make sense because he's trying to explain something that isn't true...a narrative that was created by someone else.
The truth is that both parties had an understanding of where his weight needed to be to play. He's above that weight. They are talking around the subject. But, if you are focusing on the "it's mental" I think you are ignoring the real reason.
He's fat. He knows it too. He probably wants to play anyway. But, it isn't going to happen. And, he's so far away that he and the team knows that he can't get to his target weight this year.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:38 pm to CelticDog
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he's a big guy with no back to the basket game
He absolutely has a back to the basket game. What are you even talking about. It's all about matchups. If the guy guarding him is small he backs them down constantly. He did it to Simmons game 1 this year.
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the one trick pony drive isn't proof he has game.
If it's a big he's faster than that's a pretty good fricking trick.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:44 pm to moneyg
This! This is a perfect explanation of whats going on. What fans should be mad at is this organization constantly lying about whats going on. I wasn’t a fan of Dell Demps but he wasn’t constantly lying like Griffin does here. To the point Griffin has the players lying for him. When you hire a dirty used car salesman that’s what you get.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:46 pm to Macintosh
quote:is there a team counselor he can see? If this is true, what is he doing to handle it?
Says it’s all mental and he’s physically okay.
Would be a good time right about now to pop some lexapro and get the frick on the court
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:47 pm to moneyg
quote:It makes infinitely less sense to say you're completely healthy and not playing until you "feel like Zion" then it would to say you're still not physically ready and working your way towards it.
It's only because you aren't acknowledging the obvious.
It's about his weight. His explanation doesn't make sense because he's trying to explain something that isn't true...a narrative that was created by someone else.
So no, your best guess isn't obvious at all, it's honestly your hypothetical that makes zero sense.
quote:No, they are not talking around the subject. Talking around the subject would have been Zion stating he's still not 100% and getting closer and ramping up. That did not happen. Zion did not talk around the subject, he inserted a completely different subject that makes him look about 1000 times worse.
The truth is that both parties had an understanding of where his weight needed to be to play. He's above that weight. They are talking around the subject
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:49 pm to shel311
You know what they say once you start a lie, you need to keep lying to cover it up. That’s basically whats going on.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:You're just talking in cliches now and not really making any point.
You know what they say once you start a lie, you need to keep lying to cover it up. That’s basically whats going on.
Again, he could have said any of a million things, included a quote I gave you that he could have said that would not have made him look as bad as he did today, but he chose not to. The idea that he did that as a lie to help himself makes zero sense, none.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:53 pm to shel311
I will say this again talking about mentally not being ready is better than saying hes not meeting conditioning metrics especially for his endorsements. I don’t kniw what to tell you if you dont get that. You may think it makes him look worse but this gives him plausible deniability if nike and gatorade get pissed that they cant endorse an out of shape athlete.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:54 pm to shel311
You act like Zion admitting hes out of shape will be better for him. You think being honest about being an out of shape athlete is better??!!!
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:55 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:The point you're missing is he didn't have to say he was not meeting conditioning metrics.
I will say this again talking about mentally not being ready is better than saying hes not meeting conditioning metrics especially for his endorsements
All he had to say was he's not 100% healed yet and getting closer and closer each day, but please tell me how that is worse than saying you're physically fine, can do everything you were doing before, but just don't want to play.
quote:It's not me missing the mark, it's you.
I don’t kniw what to tell you if you dont get that.
quote:Again, he didn't have to say anything about being out of shape, to steal a line from you, I'm not sure why you don't get that.
You may think it makes him look worse but this gives him plausible deniability if nike and gatorade get pissed that they cant endorse an out of shape athlete.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:55 pm to moneyg
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It's about his weight. His explanation doesn't make sense because he's trying to explain something that isn't true...a narrative that was created by someone else.
He's not making it up. What he's talking about is basically PTSD. It's how the human body reacts to trauma. BI said the same thing with his injury because it's real. Derrick Rose had a career changing injury and didn't play for months after he was physically cleared because it didn't "feel right".
This is not something that can be publicly shamed away by message board posters and tweeters. It's only going to go away with reps so the brain gets enough new data stop associating doing basketball moves with tearing a hamstring.
Does the NBA test for magic mushrooms? They are seeing a good bit of success in trials for PTSD relief. Someone hook Zion up tonight so he can feel like himself tomorrow.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:56 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Why is the ONLY alternative to saying he's physically fine but not playing then to admit he's out of shape?
You act like Zion admitting hes out of shape will be better for him.
What are you talking about right now?
quote:Again, what are you talking about?
You think being honest about being an out of shape athlete is better??!!!
Do I need to quote what he could have said a 4th, 5th or 17th time before you acknowledge it?
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:58 pm to shel311
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It makes infinitely less sense to say you're completely healthy and not playing until you "feel like Zion" then it would to say you're still not physically ready and working your way towards it.
They don't want to admit it because it makes Zion look horrible.
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No, they are not talking around the subject. Talking around the subject would have been Zion stating he's still not 100% and getting closer and ramping up. That did not happen. Zion did not talk around the subject, he inserted a completely different subject that makes him look about 1000 times worse.
I don't disagree that it makes him look worse. The "mental" part is much, much worse, IMO.
But, he's not playing because he's fat.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:58 pm to shel311
But he can’t medically lie about not being 100 percent healed. That would mean the training staff has to sign off on that. So they would have to lie along with the organization saying hes medically not healed. If that got out, im pretty sure lying publicly about an injury that is not there would be a major issue. I swear man you think you’re so smart but you don’t get that you can’t lie about not being 100 percent healed when the organization/training staff wont go for that.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 4:59 pm to moneyg
quote:AGAIN, they didn't have to admit it. They could have said he's not 100% and working towards being ready. What part of that are you and the other dude missing?
They don't want to admit it because it makes Zion look horrible.
What part of saying just that above is so much worse than saying you're physically ready but still refusing to play?
Posted on 4/11/23 at 5:01 pm to TigerinATL
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He's not making it up. What he's talking about is basically PTSD. It's how the human body reacts to trauma. BI said the same thing with his injury because it's real. Derrick Rose had a career changing injury and didn't play for months after he was physically cleared because it didn't "feel right".
This is not something that can be publicly shamed away by message board posters and tweeters. It's only going to go away with reps so the brain gets enough new data stop associating doing basketball moves with tearing a hamstring.
Yeah, I disagree vehemently.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 5:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Do I think i'm so smart?
I swear man you think you’re so smart
Or do I think it's just an absurdly dumb argument to make that it's better for him to come out and talk and say the thing that is literally worse than anything else he could have said?
There's just zero logic to your and the other dude's reasoning. Just none, that's all there is to it. You're arguing that it was best for him to tell the world he's healthy and refusing to play when there are other ways to handle it that would have been MUCH less wores or, better yet, he could have never spoken again this season and that still would have been MUCH better than what he did today.
So I'm failing to see where you've made any good argument as to why he did this if he's lying.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 4/11/23 at 5:04 pm to shel311
THE PART WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON HIM. YOU CANT SAY HES NOT 100 percent when the training staff says he is. Hes 100 percent healthy but hes out of shape. Even if Zions crew wanted to say that, the staff and Griff probably pushed back saying thats not true we’re not going with that. You act like this is all Zion it isnt.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 5:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Are you under the impression that you can't be medically cleared to play unless you're 100%?
THE PART WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING PRESSURE ON HIM. YOU CANT SAY HES NOT 100 percent when the training staff says he is. Hes 100 percent healthy but hes out of shape. Even if Zions crew wanted to say that, the staff and Griff probably pushed back saying thats not true we’re not going with that. You act like this is all Zion it isnt.
You do realize you can be medically cleared but still feel pain and effects, right?
Again, you've made up an argument in your head that is flat wrong and simply illogical.
Not sure how rose to say other than directly, your statement is simply factually incorrect.
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