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re: Zion will not be traded (ESPN reporting)
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:40 am to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:40 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Zion is a unique case because of how good he can be and how injured he often is.
So this whole we shouldn’t trade him when his value is that low, will then be we shouldn’t trade him when his value is that high. So technically you should just say we’re not trading him and taking the gamble if he busts or asks out. I’m not advocating here to trade Zion or not, just saying don’t use the argument of we shouldn’t trade him when his value is low because you won’t trade him when its high either
I've been saying for a looong time that he'll almost never be tradeable for this reason. If he's hurt again, his value is too low to make any sense to move him. If he's healthy, you'd never logically want to trade him because he's too good.
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Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:41 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:But it's basically true, it's the situation we are in with Zion.
but there are tons of people who use that argument of cant trade when value is that low. Im pointing out thats a dumb argument especially when you aint trading when its high.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:41 am to Pels_Yaz
You can not want to trade a guy and still think it’s dumb to give up a dollar to return a quarter
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:45 am to shel311
I agree then just say we’re not trading him until he forces his way out or hes a complete bust.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:45 am to St Augustine
quote:
If Zion gave us 65-70 games of elite play THAT would be the time to move him.
If he gives you 65-70 games there's no reason to move him.
McNamara brought something up on Twitter the other day that's not discussed a lot, but the grind of the playoffs. Players often say one playoff game is like two or three regular season games. You see a guy like Embiid, year in and year out, be unable to make it through the playoffs without suffering an injury. The longest Zion has ever gone without missing a game is 25 consecutive (how sad is that), what's the chances he would actually make it through an entire postseason?
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:45 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Yeah I don’t think your getting what Im saying. Shell got it.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:45 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Fair and fwiw, that is my exact stance.
I agree then just say we’re not trading him until he forces his way out or hes a complete bust
I'm going down with the Zion ship!
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:47 am to CP3forMVP
Playoffs??! Playoffs???! You’re talking about playoffs? Can we just get for majority of the regular season first lol
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:49 am to Pels_Yaz
Other way around dude. I’ve thought we’re stuck with Zion for a while and I’m pretty sure I’ve said this exact post to you like this week.
When he’s hurt you can’t ever really trade him because you’ll get bad returns. When he’s healthy you’re not going to want to trade him because he’s awesome. We’re kind of stuck with him.
You were trying to say that, because I think the above, I can’t make the argument that we shouldn’t trade him while his value is low. You can make whatever argument you want as long as it’s a valid argument, my personal opinion doesn’t change the facts
When he’s hurt you can’t ever really trade him because you’ll get bad returns. When he’s healthy you’re not going to want to trade him because he’s awesome. We’re kind of stuck with him.
You were trying to say that, because I think the above, I can’t make the argument that we shouldn’t trade him while his value is low. You can make whatever argument you want as long as it’s a valid argument, my personal opinion doesn’t change the facts
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 10:51 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:51 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Then you could have just said I agree lol not everything needs to be refuted, we could agree on stuff lol
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:52 am to CP3forMVP
quote:
If he gives you 65-70 games there's no reason to move him.
There are always exceptions. If you feel like that season is an exception then there absolutely is a reason to trade him.
If he continues to half arse it but lucks into 65 games I’d be a lot more willing to believe it’s just an outlier until the next year where he’s injury plagued again.
Now if he actually starts giving as shite, gets serious with his body and diet, and becomes a professional and gives you that many games then it’s a different conversation.
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:53 am to Pels_Yaz
My b if that was your intent, I just took umbrage with that last bit
quote:
don’t use the argument of we shouldn’t trade him when his value is low because you won’t trade him when its high either.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:54 am to SCLSUMuddogs
“You can make whatever argument you want as long as it’s a valid argument”
But cant trade when value is low is not valid argument when you dont believe to trade him when value is high. Thats what im saying- its not a valid argument at all.
But cant trade when value is low is not valid argument when you dont believe to trade him when value is high. Thats what im saying- its not a valid argument at all.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:55 am to Pels_Yaz
It doesn’t matter what you believe in terms of an argument, is all I’m saying.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:55 am to shel311
quote:
Zion is a unique case because of how good he can be and how injured he often is.
1000%.
I also think his body type and poor likelihood to have a long career because of it exacerbates it.
This post was edited on 6/16/23 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:55 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Thats only a valid argument if you truly say after he wins MVP we should trade him. And very few people would say that. But if you say that then the dont trade low argument is valid.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:56 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Bro yes it does. Then your just arguing nonsense and lying to yourself. Im losing you here.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:57 am to St Augustine
I think it comes down to this.
Barring a miracle and the Pels winning the draft lottery AGAIN, the franchise will never be able to acquire a player with this amount of upside.
Zion is boom or bust.
Sure you could trade him and maybe hit a ceiling of a 2nd round team or you hold on to him and hope to hell he puts it together and you're playing for titles.
I think it's worth the risk. Others disagree.
McNamara thinks it's more fun to follow a team that's consistently good but never wins vs one that wins a title but mostly sucks.
I disagree.
I've been a Saints fan my entire life. Nothing takes away 2009. Not all the disappointments, etc. All the down years were worth it because of 2009.
That's just me. Give me some losing seasons and sneak in one title and I'm good. Zion gives us the best shot at that.
Barring a miracle and the Pels winning the draft lottery AGAIN, the franchise will never be able to acquire a player with this amount of upside.
Zion is boom or bust.
Sure you could trade him and maybe hit a ceiling of a 2nd round team or you hold on to him and hope to hell he puts it together and you're playing for titles.
I think it's worth the risk. Others disagree.
McNamara thinks it's more fun to follow a team that's consistently good but never wins vs one that wins a title but mostly sucks.
I disagree.
I've been a Saints fan my entire life. Nothing takes away 2009. Not all the disappointments, etc. All the down years were worth it because of 2009.
That's just me. Give me some losing seasons and sneak in one title and I'm good. Zion gives us the best shot at that.
Posted on 6/16/23 at 10:57 am to Pels_Yaz
No it’s not dude, did they never make you take a devils advocate position in speech class or something? What I believe has nothing to do with whether or not I have made a good argument
Posted on 6/16/23 at 11:01 am to SCLSUMuddogs
But then your just arguing something you dont believe in. Why would you be fake arguing- just so you can win on a message board? You’re basically lying to yourself. This isnt mock trial bro lol If someone says we should only trade after hes MVP because thats what I believe thats a valid argument. If you say dont trade when his value low and then be like you cant trade when hes MVP- thats not valid.
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