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re: A perspective on tanking
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:32 pm to P bean
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:32 pm to P bean
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These teams been taking some serious lumps lol
That’s irrelevant to my post. They’re bad organizations. They could do all the can kicking, money moving, FA acquisitions in the world but they still fundamentally suck with poor leadership, poor coaching, poor qb play, poor drafting etc.
You still need to have a plan.
But drafting well, developing young cheap talent and deep roster through good coaching, and being able to keep that talent that you know is a fit in your organization by being responsible with the cap is a pretty damn tried and true method of success.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 1:40 pm
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:?
This is our current culture.
What "winning culture" have we shown the past 4 years
These dudes just woke up from a coma. They missed Covid, the Biden administration and that the saints haven’t been good in awhile
What specifically are we missing out on by moving on from the current era?
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:36 pm to Townedrunkard
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You, remember when everyone thought Tampa was tanking by signing Baker to a cheap deal and cleaning up their cap after signing Brady and all of his friends for their run? How many division titles have they won since then?
This is exactly what I’m talking about. Being financially responsible, not being desperate to add some overpriced vet, drafting well, coaching well, and building a younger roster may cause growing pains to a well run organization but it doesn’t mean you’re TRYING to lose.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:37 pm to Townedrunkard
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You, remember when everyone thought Tampa was tanking by signing Baker to a cheap deal and cleaning up their cap after signing Brady and all of his friends for their run?
How many division titles have they won since then?
Moscona spent all offseason saying Tampa would have the worst record in football. To be fair I thought they would be terrible.
Hell...if Bryce Young continues to improve, Carolina could surpass us to
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:48 pm to bstaceyau19
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Does it really matter? Trying to lose is trying to lose, regardless if it's to gain draft picks or to alter the accounting in regards to the salary cap. It's still trying to lose.
It’s like you didn’t even read his post.
Making fiscally dumb moves to likely still lose doesn’t mean you’re creating this culture that will automatically breed success. In fact you can create a lot more failure.
It sounds cliche but there often aren’t any shortcuts to getting out of a hole. You have to first stop digging and then slowly start refilling it.
Stop thinking you’re a few moves away from contention (regardless of contending for a shite division or the Super Bowl) and build the foundation of your roster through good drafts, and coaching up young players.
Maybe don’t package all those mid round picks over the year that you could coach into quality depth simply to move up a few spots for that flashier first rounder.
If you have this quality depth at certain positions maybe your season doesn’t go off the fricking rails due to injuries. Many other teams sustain a bunch of injuries but they have a roster and culture that allows them to be absorbed better.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:53 pm to St Augustine
The injuries were a hard fact last year.
But more importantly it showed we have horrible horrible depth. What ever a FO is trying to do this is a major issue. The deepest unit on the team is/was the secondary and we have already lost two starters early on.
But more importantly it showed we have horrible horrible depth. What ever a FO is trying to do this is a major issue. The deepest unit on the team is/was the secondary and we have already lost two starters early on.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 1:57 pm to GynoSandberg
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saints haven’t been good in awhile
Tikki/article referred to historically bad teams staying historically bad. Over a timeframe long and short.
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look far across the NFL landscape for the evidence of that conviction – just look at anyone who has ever played quarterback for the Chicago Bears or Cleveland Browns in the modern era.
Heyyyy, their point. Lol
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:11 pm to P bean
You have the 20th best win % over the last four years. How many years of sucking do you need until you’re recognized as a bottom dweller? This is the culture you’re championing? 
listen to yourself
WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU ENCOURAGED ABOUT GOING FORWARD
listen to yourself WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU ENCOURAGED ABOUT GOING FORWARD
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:14 pm to GynoSandberg
Rumors of painted end zones.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:14 pm to P bean
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Tikki/article referred to historically bad teams staying historically bad.
Words not included in that article:
historic
historically
Regardless, historically, the Saints are one of the worst teams in NFL history.
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Heyyyy, their point. Lol
That's not their point.
Those "historically bad" teams don't tank to get higher draft picks. They try to win and end up back at the top of the draft because they suck.
Again, our culture is a losing culture currently.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:15 pm to goatmilker
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Rumors of painted end zones.
It's Winnie's world, we're all just living in it
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:15 pm to goatmilker
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The injuries were a hard fact last year. But more importantly it showed we have horrible horrible depth. What ever a FO is trying to do this is a major issue.
Exactly. It’s a lot easier for a good chunk of the fanbase to blame injuries than poor coaching, aging roster, lack of any true difference makers,lack of depth, poor draft decisions though. A lot less work to be done through that lens.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:16 pm to P bean
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Tikki/article referred to historically bad teams staying historically bad.
The Saints are a historically bad team.
CSP/Brees era is the exception
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:16 pm to bstaceyau19
That’s a players/coaches perspective. Their time is short in the nfl and they have to make the most of every opportunity. No one is asking them to throw games or not play their arse off. But when your roster is aging and trending in a negative direction you sometimes have to reset. It’s about having a plan for the future and not spinning our tires. The people that think KM is going to walk in the door and start performing miracles aren’t being realistic. We are actively setting him up for failure. If you actually believe in KM you start the rebuild asap.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:25 pm to Fun Bunch
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The Saints are a historically bad team. CSP/Brees era is the exception
Naw. Saints are no where close to the Browns etc in that department, or the 12 NFL teams that have never won a superbowl.
Mora started the playoff year seasons in the 90’s, Haslett won one (a playoff game), then SP/Brees.
There’s a reason the article listed the Bears/Browns.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:29 pm to bstaceyau19
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forget thinking you’re’ going to change your franchise by losing games.
Barbers words.
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modern era.
Articles words i.e. More than 4 years lol.
Whether you call that “historical” or not means nothing. Bears/Browns fans wish they were Saints fans.
Simplied for the nancys’.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:30 pm to P bean
How is limiting our ceiling and maybe being a borderline playoff team at best a winning culture, after 4 years of losing?
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:35 pm to High Life
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That’s a players/coaches perspective. Their time is short in the nfl and they have to make the most of every opportunity.
Fact. Barber was a player and thats the point he’s making.
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forget thinking you’re’ going to change your franchise by losing games.
Barbers words lol and point.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:05 pm to St Augustine
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u’re trying to construct a BETTER roster that is sustainable for the better part of a decade. That may constitute a few years of ultimately better players getting their feet wet as they enter the league. Maybe they lose year one to a more veteran team but by year 3-4 they’re kicking the shite out of them.
That’s not going to occur through can kicking and piecemealing players together for short term gain unless you have a truly elite difference making QB leading your team.
Guess what we don’t have… we don’t have our guy. We need to get our guy. THATS why I want to tank
Posted on 3/12/25 at 1:19 am to P bean
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Bears/Browns fans wish they were Saints fans.
And I wish I was a Bears fan
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