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re: Carr’s contract is crippling the Saints??
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:47 am to fwtex
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:47 am to fwtex
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Mickey has been playing a dangerous game with the cap and every year his decisions give him less options available.
What happens next year if Carr says no to a contract extension and elects to play out his current contract that expires at the end of 2026 season? The options are, 1. Saints are royally screwed because they have no future years to restructure the ENORMOUS cap hit that will be due. 2. Carr controls the negotiation and Saints have to beg him through pay him more to start his retirement sitting on the bench as dead roster space and dead cap, just to get some cap space.
There has to be some other angle the Mickey and the saints are playing. Is there a plan to sell the team and they are just trying to get through the next year or two before this group runs off? They are playing the same game for themselves that they played to keep the band together for Brees final years.
Our worst case scenario is a straight up june 1st cut of carr next year. Next year is not a worse cap situation than the 3-4 years prior we've dealt with. There's a slight possibility we draft Shedeur Sanders and tell Carr to either eat shite or go find us a trade partner and do a post june 1st trade this year and everyone moves the frick on now. its possible. probably not likely.
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:10 am to Chad504boy
quote:Not going to get dragged into the bullshite of the video of what's being discussed here other than to say this is spot on.
Next year is not a worse cap situation than the 3-4 years prior we've dealt with
In year's prior we would already be over next year's cap at this point in FA, or dangerously close to it (5 mil or less space, but more often 10s of millions over). We are currently at 24 mil in space for next year (though not with all the contracts reflected yet, it is expected to be maybe about that or as low as 20 mil), meaning there is no "huge hole" to dig out of since we are actually starting far enough into the positive.
That light at the end of the tunnel everyone is always asking for is already there, despite us still kicking the can like always.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:39 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Again, the point still stands that Carr is worse than 4 of those; but he froze when he realized his argument was not about to work out as he planned it
His whole argument is stupid. Carrs cap hit is more than double what it should be b/c of Mickeys cap manipulation. Those qbs salaries are actually over 55 to 60 a year. Those teams are just more responsible and don’t do the stupid shite Loomis has been doing for years.
Carr is at the very bottom of the list of vet starting qbs right now.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:07 am to bonethug0180
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We are currently at 24 mil in space for next year (though not with all the contracts reflected yet, it is expected to be maybe about that or as low as 20 mil), meaning there is no "huge hole" to dig out of since we are actually starting far enough into the positive.
I do not think that is for a full roster. There is no way this team has a 24 mil surplus for next year with Carr having a 59 mil cap himself.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:12 am to fwtex
In years past that would also be the case as well though, but without going through and painstakingly trying to piece it all together I can't tell you exactly how many we had signed in 2025 back in 2024, how many we had signed in 2024 back in 2023, and so on. but those years very likely had a similar number of players as 2026 currently does.
Also, the cap is estimated 295 mil next year, so yes Carr can easily have a 60 mil number and use still be far under.
Also, the cap is estimated 295 mil next year, so yes Carr can easily have a 60 mil number and use still be far under.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 11:14 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:25 am to Townedrunkard
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You just making shite up. That’s like saying if Loomis front loaded his contract the first year, his salary would only be 10 million. His yearly salary is what it is, you don’t have to make shite up to fit your bias.
How am I making shite up? Mickey back loaded the contract. The past two seasons are gone. How much on average will he make in the next two seasons? You do the math
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:28 am to High Life
He makes what he was signed to make. When he makes what compared to games won is the dumbest thing I've ever heard people try to throw around.
It's funny people don't cry and moan when they are only costing 5 mil on the cap.
It's funny people don't cry and moan when they are only costing 5 mil on the cap.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:31 am to Weekend Warrior79
"greed, but thought it was funny that when he did that he still cherry picked his comparisons."
I noticed this, as well, and the first one that caught my eye was Watson. Of course, Watson has been a disaster, so he could have folded that into his argument instead of just skipping over it.
What it really comes down to is exactly what you are paying for if you're paying so much for a QB. If it's Burrow or Mahomes, no problem at all. If it is Carr or Watson, it is going to be brutally difficult to win because you have all this cap space being soaked up by someone who probably isn't good enough to merit it.
I noticed this, as well, and the first one that caught my eye was Watson. Of course, Watson has been a disaster, so he could have folded that into his argument instead of just skipping over it.
What it really comes down to is exactly what you are paying for if you're paying so much for a QB. If it's Burrow or Mahomes, no problem at all. If it is Carr or Watson, it is going to be brutally difficult to win because you have all this cap space being soaked up by someone who probably isn't good enough to merit it.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:35 am to High Life
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How much on average will he make in the next two seasons? You do the math
I did do the math. He signed what was essentially a 3 year 100 million dollar deal.
He will make 33.3 million for 3 years….
He’s not getting paid anymore or less than that no matter what you or Mascona try to say or spin it. He manipulated the numbers so the cap charges are greater next year, but his salary is the same. We not paying him anymore more or less this year or next.
He got 100 million guaranteed.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 11:41 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:42 am to Townedrunkard
So he’s playing his 4th year for free?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 11:47 am to High Life
Bro, DC has 50 million dollars of his contract that is not currently guaranteed in 2026. He ain’t getting that from us.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:15 pm to High Life
That was his first year. I think he got paid 2.5 mil.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:52 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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If it is Carr or Watson, it is going to be brutally difficult to win because you have all this cap space being soaked up by someone who probably isn't good enough to merit it.
Two different situations… the Browns thought Watson was the final piece of the puzzle and had a winning roster that they built. Then Watson sucked it up and then got hurt and now they’re screwed and the same ole Browns again
Meanwhile no one will say Carr is that bad… we signed him to be a mid level QB on a mid level team, well now the team has regressed. Carr can still play for a medium cap hit, but a lot of good that does you when 8 wins is the ceiling now
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:07 pm to chalmetteowl
“Meanwhile no one will say Carr is that bad… we signed him to be a mid level QB on a mid level team, ”
This is precisely what I think you should NEVER do. It traps you in a cycle of mediocrity. You have neither the cap space to be nimble in the marketplace nor a real difference maker at QB.
This is precisely what I think you should NEVER do. It traps you in a cycle of mediocrity. You have neither the cap space to be nimble in the marketplace nor a real difference maker at QB.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:09 pm to Chad504boy
If he’s plays he gets it. You have zero proof that he won’t be here. End of story.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:10 pm to High Life
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If he’s plays he gets it. You have zero proof that he won’t be here. End of story.
i mean this in the nicest way... you are very low iq.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:55 pm to High Life
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If he’s plays he gets it. You have zero proof that he won’t be here. End of story.
Wrong again as usual. If he plays this year like Tom Brady, then yes we may give it to him.
But then no one will be bitching about his salary. What’s the chance that happens?
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:09 pm to Townedrunkard
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If he plays this year like Tom Brady, then yes we may give it to him.
We could go 8-9 and Loomis is dumb enough to keep him around.
His cap hit next year will be $69M, if we cut him his dead cap hit is $59M.
You’re supremely confident that Mickey will spend 60 million in cap space to not have a qb
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:10 pm to High Life
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His cap hit next year will be $69M, if we cut him his dead cap hit is $59M.
He’s going to do it a post June 1st cut to spread it out over two years. So the dead cap won’t be 59
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:43 pm to The_Duke
we are limited in what we can do
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