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re: For those that think Staley was such a horrible head coach
Posted on 2/22/25 at 2:09 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 2/22/25 at 2:09 pm to Townedrunkard
I mean with his record he would still be coaching if Loomis was the GM of the Chargers he’s the next Chuck Knoll
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 6:13 am to St Augustine
What defenses are you referring to outside of the one year he was DC for the rams?
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Exactly, keep in mind he had players like Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey on their roster.
This was a defensive roster built by Wade Phillips, several years removed from that BS Super Bowl appearance ( FY Roger Goodell and Officials)
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Exactly, keep in mind he had players like Aaron Donald, Jalen Ramsey on their roster.
This was a defensive roster built by Wade Phillips, several years removed from that BS Super Bowl appearance ( FY Roger Goodell and Officials)
Posted on 2/24/25 at 7:14 am to Townedrunkard
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SFP was dogging him in other threads. A
He's a very scary choice.
It kind of doesn't matter since we are going to suck for a few years anyway, but it's more likely to me he fails bigly in NO compared to the alternative.
Staley's best role seems to be what he did in SF last year, or as a positional coach who does the heavy lifting during the week for a better DC. He's supposedly really good at film work and gameplans, but his issues running the defense are (1) communicating that to players so they understand (2) "coaching them up", especially on fundamentals and (3) adjustments in game.
He's smart but blinded by the press clippings. The failure and a year away have given him the opportunity to reflect, but he wasn't under any notable DC last year. Had he stayed in SF one more year in a lesser role under an elite DC like Saleh, I'd think he could have rehab'd his issues more properly. He'd also have gotten experience with a different system than the Fangio one he copied so well in 2020 on the Rams.
Inside the demise of Chargers’ Brandon Staley: ‘Too smart for his own good’
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In the end, Staley’s greatest strength — an unwavering belief in himself — became his downfall. The news conference moment in Green Bay revealed this for the world to see. In the same answer, without another question being asked, Staley said he was “fully responsible” for the defensive performance. His true feelings, though, were rooted in his initial statement: The plan was good enough; the execution was not.
There is a fine line between conviction and arrogance, between confidence and hubris. At times, Staley toed that line with an admirable deftness. Too often, however, he crossed it, both publicly and privately.
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Staley’s defense ranked 29th in EPA per drive this season, according to TruMedia. They ranked 31st in EPA per drive over his entire stint as head coach and defensive play caller.
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Staley was hired to produce an elite defense. He had done so in his lone season as an NFL coordinator, with the Los Angeles Rams in 2020. He failed to come close to that with the Chargers in three seasons.
Staley is a brilliant schematic coach. He can develop a game plan on the whiteboard capable of stopping any offense. The only problem is the game is not played on a whiteboard. There were weeks when this brilliance shone through, like in a win over the Miami Dolphins in Week 14 last season. But more often, the scheme and plans were too layered and complex for the players to grasp and execute consistently. Players detailed how Staley and his defensive staff would try to build in answers and rules for every minute facet of opposing offenses — every route, every motion. At times, players said, this bogged down the unit as a whole.
They were overthinking, and they could not play fast as a result. That showed up in some noteworthy losses this season — Miami in Week 1, Kansas City in Week 7, Detroit in Week 10.
Staley’s inexperience was exposed in this stubborn commitment to a defensive vision that simply was not working. There was a disconnect between how some players wanted to play and how Staley wanted to play.
Chargers' LB Daiyan Henley buries Brandon Staley's porous defense
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"That's probably the most exiting thing about (Minter's) scheme. As complex as it is, it's simple enough to just execute. It's more so let's fool the offense rather than fool the players that's playing the defense.
A lot of coaches kind of get lost in that where they are trying to make it too complicated for everybody involved. We want to beat the offense, that's what we want to do. We want to take the ball away, we want to score as a defense. Let's throw them off, but let's keep it where the defense is playing fast."
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Plus, his comments are directly in line with the criticisms around Staley and his defensive scheme. Staley is an innovative defensive mind and there is no doubting that. His defensive schemes were built around being complex to fool opposing quarterbacks and when it worked, it worked seamlessly.
Just look at the 2020 Los Angeles Rams. Staley coached the best defense in the league that season and that is how he got the Chargers' job in the first place. As bad as his tenure was with the Bolts, there is no denying that the 2020 Rams were an elite defensive team.
But Staley's biggest strength was also his biggest weakness. He proved throughout his tenure with the Chargers that he could not elevate the talent on his roster. The defensive development under Staley was appalling and he failed to put his players in a position to succeed.
That is arguably a bigger part of the equation with coaching in the NFL than the scheme is. It does not matter how great a scheme looks on paper if you do not coach up your players to actually execute that scheme. Staley proved that over three years with the Bolts.
Since we're going to suck, it's not a huge deal. The primary concern is that if do we draft well on defense, the players basically will lose years of development under a coach who can't develop defensive players.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:50 am to Townedrunkard
DA was a pretty damn good DC for us.
People forget that.
People forget that.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 1:02 pm to Townedrunkard
Defensive ranks each year they were HC
Chargers
2021 - total yards 23rd, points allowed 30th
2022 - yards 20th, PA 21st
2023 - yards 28th, PA 24th
Saints
2022 - yards 6th, PA 9th
2023 - yards 13th, PA 8th
2024 - yards 30th, PA 19th
Both fired during 3rd year
Chargers
2021 - total yards 23rd, points allowed 30th
2022 - yards 20th, PA 21st
2023 - yards 28th, PA 24th
Saints
2022 - yards 6th, PA 9th
2023 - yards 13th, PA 8th
2024 - yards 30th, PA 19th
Both fired during 3rd year
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:42 pm to Townedrunkard
Staley wasn’t terrible. They should’ve made the playoffs his first year at 9-8 but he screwed up the end of the game that they needed. Then they made the playoffs the next year. It was his final year where it got weird. But better than what DA did here by far in my opinion.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Staley will be the first staffer fired at the end of 26 as we will only win about 8-10 games over next 2 seasons.
Joseph doesn’t impress me much either, but it’s a feel good local story.
Joseph doesn’t impress me much either, but it’s a feel good local story.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 6:59 am to Geauxldilocks
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Staley will be the first staffer fired at the end of 26 as we will only win about 8-10 games over next 2 seasons.
Yiu think so? It will take a minimum of at least two drafts, maybe more to even begin to get the players needed to run a 3-4, and it’s not like we can sign any impact free agents in the next two years to fill holes.
This team has no viable safeties or NT on the roster, an aging DD that will need to be replaced. And only one viable edge rusher with Chase being a free agent. I think he’s here for as long as Moore is here.
Loomis has this team is such horrible shape, it’s no overnight fix.
This post was edited on 2/25/25 at 7:01 am
Posted on 2/25/25 at 8:06 am to Townedrunkard
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Yiu think so? It will take a minimum of at least two drafts, maybe more to even begin to get the players needed to run a 3-4, and it’s not like we can sign any impact free agents in the next two years to fill holes.
Agree, but 8-26 record next 2 years some sacrificial lambs will have to be offered up. As OC is Moore, Staley is the obvious choice to be fired soon.
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