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re: I think Travis Eitienne is a good comp for jeremiyah Love
Posted on 1/13/26 at 12:57 pm to Townedrunkard
Posted on 1/13/26 at 12:57 pm to Townedrunkard
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And yall act like Shough was some can’t miss prospect ?
Who is yall?
You do realize that a lot of guys are coming at you so hard about Shough because you took such a hard line about drafting him at 40 (was that the right #) and you love to plug your "I called it right with this player", even at times when the thread has nothing to do with your prediction.
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Geno won’t be starting this year, so three quarterbacks in the last ten to twelve years taken outside the first round will be starting. Three.
It's actually 4 since Shough isn't in that list. And maybe 5 with Shedeur
Also, this is just the list of current starters, so you can't say in the last 10-12 years as that number would need to include Geno, Russell, Cousins, etc., etc.
It is also not easily quantifiable without considering the number of QBs taken in each round, and their "bust rate". And to make it more difficult is the fact that 1st round QBs will typically get some starts even if they are trash (Rosen); whereas later round QBs still have to prove themselves before getting a whiff at a starting.
And further adjusted for guys that are drafted to a team with a franchise QB still on the roster. Looking back at 2025, you think McCord is ever seeing the field over Hurts, or Mertz over Stroud
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 1:07 pm
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Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:24 pm to Townedrunkard
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Then tell the class why he was in college 7 years smartass? Was it because of injuries or not?
You insinuated he wouldn’t be successful because he had broken bones in college
he took more time in college because of it but those 3 injuries had no bearing on his future outlook. And the Saints recognized that by selecting him, which is why you don’t get paid to argue for selecting a 2 sack DE over a franchise QB quote:
And the Saints knew Carr was injured way before we found out but apparently you didn’t know that…
They knew before us but they did not know that during the FA period in mid-March.
Even if they did know, the proper course of action was to pick a QB high in the draft to develop.
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And yall act like Shough was some can’t miss prospect
Not one person has said that but nice strawman
Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:27 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Also, this is just the list of current starters, so you can't say in the last 10-12 years as that number would need to include Geno, Russell, Cousins, etc., etc.
If you counting them, they were drafted past the 10-12 range, now you going back 15 years.
The point remains the same, if you add up every qb drafted after the first round the last 12 years, what percentage would u think were viable starters? Six rounds of qbs drafted. 2-3% maybe?
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You do realize that a lot of guys are coming at you so hard about Shough because you took such a hard line about drafting him at 40 (was that the right #) and you love to plug your "I called it right with this player", even at times when the thread has nothing to do with your prediction.
Honestly I still think I’m right. Problem is, it can’t be proven one way or another.
No qb was taken between our pick at 40 and our third rd pick. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have been there and we could have got Ezeriku or another higher graded player and still got Shough in the third. The teams that really needed a qb took them in the first. Outside of us and the Browns.
That was my whole take. He was a reach and most QBs taken outside the first fail way more often than not. Statistics back me up on this.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:29 pm to Proximo
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You insinuated he wouldn’t be successful because he had broken bones in college
Wrong again. I said it’s something that should knock his draft status down. Like it did when we drafted Anzalone.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:30 pm to Proximo
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They knew before us but they did not know that during the FA period in mid-March
You work for the Saints? Why don’t you tell us exactly when they knew?
Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:35 pm to Townedrunkard
Ha, Geno was 12 years ago
It’s definitely a really low number, I’m just saying it would be difficult to quantify because you’d have to adjust for so many outliers to have a legitimate answer.
A good test (I doubt either of us care enough to do it) would be to look at drafts 6-10 years ago and see how many QBs were drafted in the 1st and how many in 2nd-7th. What percentage made it to a 2nd contract, as a starter or backup. And how many started any games after that 2nd contract.
I’m sure the number would be higher for 1st rounders, but may not be below as 10%. Especially if you may have 15% of 2026 starters as 2nd round or later picks
It’s definitely a really low number, I’m just saying it would be difficult to quantify because you’d have to adjust for so many outliers to have a legitimate answer.
A good test (I doubt either of us care enough to do it) would be to look at drafts 6-10 years ago and see how many QBs were drafted in the 1st and how many in 2nd-7th. What percentage made it to a 2nd contract, as a starter or backup. And how many started any games after that 2nd contract.
I’m sure the number would be higher for 1st rounders, but may not be below as 10%. Especially if you may have 15% of 2026 starters as 2nd round or later picks
Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:40 pm to Townedrunkard
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have got Ezeriku or another higher graded player and still got Shough in the third. The teams that really needed a qb took them in the first. Outside of us and the Browns. That was my whole take. He was a reach
Posted on 1/13/26 at 1:52 pm to Townedrunkard
No one knows being wrong like you
Posted on 1/13/26 at 2:01 pm to Townedrunkard
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You work for the Saints? Why don’t you tell us exactly when they knew?
Why don’t you do that since you explicitly said you knew when?
“And the Saints knew Carr was injured way before we found out but apparently you didn’t know that…”
Carr asked for a trade and was denied in the beginning of March then we restructured him March 8th. Evidence points to us not knowing at that time.
EVEN IF WE KNEW, it was still correct to pick the QB and not sign an expensive free agent.
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wrong again. I said it’s something that should knock his draft status down
This is what you said: “ a 26 year old journeyman qb that didn’t dominate … has a history of injuries hitting in the 2nd round. How many qbs of 32 are currently starting right now taken in the 2nd round? I think it’s one…”
That is insinuating he wouldn’t be successful.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 2:03 pm to TigerBait2008
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No one knows being wrong like you
No one knows anything quite like you.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 2:06 pm to Proximo
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That is insinuating he wouldn’t be successful.
I didn’t say injuries would effect his career. I said he wasn’t a safe pick at 40 due to those 4 or 5 issues and shouldn’t be taken that high. Especially with the other two teams desperate for a qb taking them already.
We already talked about the odds of a qb taken after the first working out in the other posts. Yiu can chose to ignore the statistics if you want but they don’t change the fact that it was a low percentage pick based off history.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 2:28 pm to Townedrunkard
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wasn’t a safe pick at 40 due to those 4 or 5 issues
4 or 5 issues? Here were your 3 issues:
1) Age - 26 year old “journeyman” -
age is irrelevant and actually, it probably made him a safer pick;
2) didn’t dominate college (Kyle McCord and Kevin Jennings were better because they got awards per you).
McCord wasn’t selected until the 6th round in Shough’s draft. Jennings has a day 3/udfa grade this year.
NFL personnel apparently don’t evaluate on “dominated college” if McCord didn’t get a look until that late? Maybe it’s also about the players’ physical tools and makeup?
3) injury history - fluke broken lower leg (not serious) and a broken collar bone. As if those injuries would carry a lot of reinjury risk after having it surgically repaired
All nonsense reasons to say he was a “reach” over your 2 sack DE pick (who could still be a good player but not over Franchise QB). And to argue the teams who needed QB’s already took them? The Steelers reportedly wanted him and the Browns also had the need, both could’ve traded up. Look at all the teams that need QB’s this year and their coaches got fired for not getting someone like Shough
Statistics about whether a QB outside the first would be successful is not something you’d let guide your decision if you’re a professional evaluator.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 4:54 pm to Proximo
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age is irrelevant and actually, it probably made him a safer pick;
What world do you live in when you think a rookie doesn’t get knocked down b/c of his age? Please tell me you not this stupid? They knock every rookie down b/c of it. Why u think Vele went in the 7th. Yiu think teams would prefer a prospect almost 30 than one that’s 21?
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2) didn’t dominate college (Kyle McCord and Kevin Jennings were better because they got awards per you).
Exactly my point, what shite QBs made all sec over Burrow? Daniels? Tua? Hurts? Cam? Or even Mac Jones? They all dominated the college game. I didn’t say they were better nfl prospects. The games are different, but two nobodies were thought of more highly by people that cover the league and watch those games. I didn’t vote but the numerous people that do thought those two were better players than Shough in college. He didn’t dominate the college game like the ones I listed or he woulda been 1st team all ACC.
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The Steelers reportedly wanted him and the Browns also had the need, both could’ve traded up.
Maybe the Steelers take him, maybe they don’t. It was also reported they wanted Sanders. Browns passed on Shough three times already before us.
I’m thinking if they valued him that highly, they would have taken him with one of those three picks before us knowing that we were desperate for a qb.
Like I said, no one knows who would have been taken. But 7 defensive ends got drafted from our 2nd pick to 3rd pick. Zero QBs.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 6:48 pm to Townedrunkard
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Yiu think teams would prefer a prospect almost 30 than one that’s 21?
they’d prefer a 26 year old with intangibles and leadership over a 21 year old, yes that’s correct. If teams didn’t select him because of age they’re pretty stupid and as stupid as your take the 2 sack DE over Shough call
quote:a lot of people have stupid opinions and you bought it I guess?
two nobodies were thought of more highly by people that cover the league
Explain Louis Riddick saying Shough is the “one to pay attention to” out of the first round potential QB’s and would be a “program builder” in the NFL. And his throws rivaled Mahomes.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:33 pm to Proximo
Dude, everyone thought this QB crop was going to be elite and you’d be hard pressed to find many people who thought Shough was going to be what he is.
Hindsight is 20/20. What he’s saying isn’t crazy. Most people, before we found out Shough was a franchise QB, felt the same way.
Hindsight is 20/20. What he’s saying isn’t crazy. Most people, before we found out Shough was a franchise QB, felt the same way.
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:38 pm to touchdownjeebus
“dude”, you’re just as ignorant as he is if you think it was smart to not select a potential franchise QB that the team evaluated as worthy when we only had Rattler on the roster. Hindsight is not 20/20, it was the proper thing to do at the time it’s just our retarded fans bitched because muh Mickey
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:39 pm to Proximo
Did you think he was a potential franchise QB?
I sure and the frick didn’t and the data suggests he is an outlier, not the norm.
Am I glad we got him? frick yeah I am
I sure and the frick didn’t and the data suggests he is an outlier, not the norm.
Am I glad we got him? frick yeah I am
Posted on 1/13/26 at 7:46 pm to touchdownjeebus
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Most people, before we found out Shough was a franchise QB, felt the same way.
Not so sure about that.
As I recall it was either a "Loomis wasted pick" or "I'll defer to CKM and see what happens".
Posted on 1/13/26 at 8:15 pm to Proximo
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they’d prefer a 26 year old with intangibles and leadership over a 21 year old, yes that’s correct. If teams didn’t select him because of age they’re pretty stupid and as stupid as your take the 2 sack DE over Shough call
Complete bs. What team wants 5 years shaven off a prospects career they spent a high pick on before it even begins. If you really believe this, there’s no point in carrying on this conversation. Because you are truly an idiot.
This post was edited on 1/13/26 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 1/13/26 at 8:22 pm to touchdownjeebus
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Did you think he was a potential franchise QB? I sure and the frick didn’t and the data suggests he is an outlier, not the norm. Am I glad we got him? frick yeah I am
Thank you. He’s definitely an outlier. Hindsight is 20/20 and I can’t remember anyone pounding their chest proclaiming he’d be a franchise qb. I know I was on record saying we shouldn’t draft a qb this year and he should get all next year to start to see what he was.
Yiu had people saying he was a great pick even if he only ended up a backup, which I think is stupid.
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