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re: Saints and Eagles talking trade
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:04 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:04 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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We signed a 30 yr old off the street a year ago that was as productive as Ingram.
Who was this? I don't remember anyone else on our team being as productive as Ingram at HB. And none of the other HBs were as good in pass protection.
You can argue him and Cadet were what and what in the receiving department, otherwise he was hands down the best back in the other two phases.
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:05 am to bonethug0108
Why bother Bone 
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:09 am to goatmilker
Bored before work.
Plus I like to shove it back in their face that Ingram is a complete back and can actually play all three downs unlike Cadet or Hightower.
Plus I like to shove it back in their face that Ingram is a complete back and can actually play all three downs unlike Cadet or Hightower.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:37 am to bonethug0108
People will always argue that Ingram is a bust. The Heisman hype will always follow him. I am pleased with how he has progressed though.
Agree with ya bone that he is a complete back and a pretty good one at that.
Agree with ya bone that he is a complete back and a pretty good one at that.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:03 am to bonethug0108
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Plus I like to shove it back in their face that Ingram is a complete back and can actually play all three downs unlike Cadet or Hightower.
Fight the good fight
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:10 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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We signed a 30 yr old off the street a year ago that was as productive as Ingram. Let's not over value him.
Please look up their stats and get back to me
Thanks
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:49 am to Magazine St
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(Henderson/Meachem...Stills/Morgan...Cooks/Stills/Morgan etc...).
Did you just include Morgan in this as an argument for an effective offense? lol
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:53 am to bonethug0108
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Plus I like to shove it back in their face that Ingram is a complete back and can actually play all three downs unlike Cadet or Hightower.
Bone, these kids listen to talking heads and idiot LSU fans that surround them and take it as fact when they have no idea. Ingram is a rare 3 down back. Most teams don't have one. AD and Kamara will compliment Ingram just fine in this offense.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:16 pm to SaintEB
Coming out of Bama Ingram was a complete 100% bust. His first 2 years were absolutely HORRIBLE!! 
No vision and 0 power. It is nice to see that he has progressed and is beyond serviceable. Elite= NO, but I think the reason for the hate on him is people just can't get those first few years out of their mind. I even ripped up his jersey one game when he failed to get the 3rd and inches for the 4th time in a game.
No vision and 0 power. It is nice to see that he has progressed and is beyond serviceable. Elite= NO, but I think the reason for the hate on him is people just can't get those first few years out of their mind. I even ripped up his jersey one game when he failed to get the 3rd and inches for the 4th time in a game.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:18 pm to MandevilleLSUTiger
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We signed a 30 yr old off the street a year ago that was as productive as Ingram
No. He wasn't.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:32 pm to SaintEB
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Did you just include Morgan in this as an argument for an effective offense? lol
Given that I spoke about having another deep threat to give defenses more to worry about.... Morgan in 19 games as a Saint...
14 receptions 471 yards, 33.6 yards per catch, 3 TDs, 9 plays over 20 yards, 5 over 40.
I'd say that he was a viable DEEP THREATand made the offense effective for what he was used for.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:50 pm to ShlikStyck
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Coming out of Bama Ingram was a complete 100% bust. His first 2 years were absolutely HORRIBLE!!
agreed, but its also on playcalling. it was telegraphed so well.
ingram in = run
sproles in = pass
quote:
It is nice to see that he has progressed and is beyond serviceable. Elite= NO, but I think the reason for the hate on him is people just can't get those first few years out of their mind.
thats a personal problem if they cannot get over the first few years. this is his last 3yr avg as a starter:
199 carries
925 yards
4.65 YPC
7 TDs
1.3 Fum (0.67 lost)
42 receptions
290 yards
1 TD
1 Fum (0.67 lost)
Know how many RBs last year had at least 925 and 290: 10
Zeke
Howard
Murray
Bell
McCoy
Johnson
Freeman
Gore
Gordon
Crowell
6 barely missing it:
Ajayi - only 151 receiving yards, but 1272 rushing
Blount - only 38 receving yards, but 1161 rushing
Miller - only 188 receiving yards, but 1073 rushing
Hyde - only 163 receiving yards, but 988 rushing
Ware - had 447 receiving yards, but only 921 rushing
Gurley - had 327 receiving yards, but only 885 rushing
Of the ones who actually had 925/290, how many had 4.65 YPC+? 6
Zeke
Howard
Bell
McCoy
Freeman
Crowell
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:25 pm to htran90
Saints fans are so fricking retarded when it comes to Mark Ingram
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:40 pm to CP3forMVP
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Saints fans are so fricking retarded when it comes to Mark Ingram
Agreed completely. My take on the matter has probably been voiced, but here goes.
1: He went to Alabama and some people will never forgive him of that. Ridiculous, but the Saints fan base is comprised of a bunch of people who thought that Trinidon Holliday should be at DE and that we should trade Drew fricking Brees. Stop it.
2: He lacks the explosive play ability most games. He just never seems to break one open and leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to that.
3. He wasn't worth trading up into the 1st round.
Other than those few items, I have no idea why anyone who is a fan of this team, wouldn't like Ingram.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:43 pm to Spelt it rong
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3. He wasn't worth trading up into the 1st round.
At some point, people are going to really need to get over that.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:05 pm to Sauce Castieaux
It's a god damn shame this thread is 5 pages
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:21 pm to GOON
I'm not pushing for a trade, but to suggest that any running back in Payton's system is NOT expendable, it a stretch.
Until Brees' arm falls off, the offense is pass first, token run to keep the defense honest.
If you can get good value for Ingram, it might be a good move. That's dependent on a couple of things- Peterson having enough in the tank to make it through the season, and Kamara being worthy of stepping into the complementary role.
It could happen; I think Peterson is the bigger risk. He may not hold up all season, although he'd still be in a less demanding role here than he was in Minnesota.
Personally, I have high hopes for Kamara. His numbers would have been a lot higher at Tennessee if he'd been the feature back, so I think he was a steal. Given his performance when he did play, I think he's got the ideal mental makeup to alternate on drives with a vet, and take over in a year or two.
A 3rd WR is a lot more valuable here than a 3rd RB; that 3rd WR is a starter in our scheme, and the 3rd back is in on 10 plays or so.
If we stand pat, that's good too.
Until Brees' arm falls off, the offense is pass first, token run to keep the defense honest.
If you can get good value for Ingram, it might be a good move. That's dependent on a couple of things- Peterson having enough in the tank to make it through the season, and Kamara being worthy of stepping into the complementary role.
It could happen; I think Peterson is the bigger risk. He may not hold up all season, although he'd still be in a less demanding role here than he was in Minnesota.
Personally, I have high hopes for Kamara. His numbers would have been a lot higher at Tennessee if he'd been the feature back, so I think he was a steal. Given his performance when he did play, I think he's got the ideal mental makeup to alternate on drives with a vet, and take over in a year or two.
A 3rd WR is a lot more valuable here than a 3rd RB; that 3rd WR is a starter in our scheme, and the 3rd back is in on 10 plays or so.
If we stand pat, that's good too.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 6:00 am to gerard07
Trading Ingram would be insane. He's coming off his best season ever; and the Saints would trust AP and a rookie to carry the load? Won't happen.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 6:23 am to JazzyJeff
quote:Risky, yes. Not insane
Trading Ingram would be insane
quote:and he's still quite young. That basically means this is when he's got the most trade value.
He's coming off his best season ever
Next season, he might be coming off, say, 750-800 yds or so, and a little bit older.
quote:Saints aren't a running team. "The load" isn't going to be very much to carry; the backs will have to keep the defense honest, and be a legit threat in the red zone. I think there are plenty of teams in the NFL that have less than AP and Kamara, and don't have the passing game we do.
and the Saints would trust AP and a rookie to carry the load? Won't happen.
Posted on 5/13/17 at 10:07 am to Scoob
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Trading Ingram would be insane Risky, yes. Not insane
Where this team is right now in win right now mode...insane.
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