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Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:11 am to terd ferguson
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Those Higgins boats
I'm aware of the history of the boat and the part it played as landing craft BUT pardon the perhaps ignorant question of HOW did they get the Higgins boats in position to storm the beaches? Were they on the ships and unloaded off?? I mean airplanes didn't drop them into position ...
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:15 am to Darth_Vader
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Stuff like this is why I switched to Bing.
Google is ran by liberals who hate this country. No surprise here.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:19 am to Tortious
Completely different style of warfare.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:25 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Correct, but if you just think of the sheer volume of something like that day happening in modern times, the feelings would be the same. Could you imagine the public outcry if an operation today would have cost 4,000+ lives? Mind blowing...
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:26 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Darth_Vader
I've got 2 questions for you.
1- How come they didn't use Tracs for the D-Day invasion and used Higgins boats instead?
2- Do you think outcomes would've been any different had Patton been the commander of the invasion and not Bradley?
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:26 am to TexasTiger90
That was my point.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:29 am to auggie
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he died 5 years ago he survived that, but was still one of the kindest people i ever knew of.Him and his wife had 6 daughters in a row,no sons,but he made them do what he wanted. If he wanted to go live in The Grand Canyon a while,that's what they did
I think that's one of the craziest things about that generation, they saw some shite and most came back being pretty damn functional. Hell, you could barely get my grandfather to even talk about the war.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:31 am to tiger91
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HOW did they get the Higgins boats in position to storm the beaches? Were they on the ships and unloaded off??
Pretty much every piece of equipment used in Europe and the Pacific was transported by ship. Compared to some of those larger transport ships Higgins boats were pretty tiny.
You can see the size difference here:
Higgins boat being lowered:
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:32 am to Tortious
quote:I know, just reinforcing
That was my point.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:35 am to TigerFanatic99
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Is that correct? I could have sworn tens of thousands of Americans died storming that cursed beach. I don't mean to belittle it by any mean, but was it really 4,500?
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About 1,000 Marines were killed invading Tarawa in Nov., '43 and another 2,000 or so were wounded. I believe this was the first battle of WWII where the US suffered so many casualties in one day (excluding Pearl Harbor).
The military censored the media from initially reporting the casualty figures because they were worried about it demoralizing the American public.
~4,500 (~2,500 Americans) dead soldiers in one day is a pretty big deal. If it makes you feel any better, something like 440,000 Anericans were killed over our ~45 months of involvement in WWII.
Is that correct? I could have sworn tens of thousands of Americans died storming that cursed beach. I don't mean to belittle it by any mean, but was it really 4,500?
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About 1,000 Marines were killed invading Tarawa in Nov., '43 and another 2,000 or so were wounded. I believe this was the first battle of WWII where the US suffered so many casualties in one day (excluding Pearl Harbor).
The military censored the media from initially reporting the casualty figures because they were worried about it demoralizing the American public.
~4,500 (~2,500 Americans) dead soldiers in one day is a pretty big deal. If it makes you feel any better, something like 440,000 Anericans were killed over our ~45 months of involvement in WWII.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:38 am to Sparkplug#1
Those landing crafts were made in Louisiana, by Higgins. Some of the worst boats ever made, but they did the job for the most part.
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Seriously? Eisenhower said that the Higgins LCVPs "won the war".
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Seriously? Eisenhower said that the Higgins LCVPs "won the war".
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:39 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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1- How come they didn't use Tracs for the D-Day invasion and used Higgins boats instead?
I believe it was due to (1) the number of troops involved which due to the Higgins Boat greater capacity made them more suited to the task and (2) the fact most Amtracs were already in use on the other side of the globe.
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2- Do you think outcomes would've been any different had Patton been the commander of the invasion and not Bradley?
Bradley was not in overall command. He commanded 1st Army which was subordinate to Montgomery's 21st Army Group which in turn answered to Eisenhower.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:43 am to terd ferguson
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about? Those Higgins boats proved invaluable to the war effort.
It's not babble, it's a fact. They were made out of plywood and very poorly constructed. Ask anyone that was there. Some sunk as soon as they hit the water.
I'm not putting them down, just giving a little info on where they were made, and that they weren't made very well, but did the JOB.
My grandfather was there and he bought a Higgins boat when he returned from the war.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:45 am to Sentrius
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One of the most, if not the most alpha as frick picture you could ever find.
I'd says it's 1A and 1B with the picture of the soldiers raising the flag on Iwo Jima.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:50 am to Darth_Vader
Darth, I would add to your point, that LCVPs were cheaper to produce than AmTracs and they could carry more troops.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:50 am to Wolfhound45
Down votes of OP should equal an automatic banning
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:52 am to Sparkplug#1
My wife's grandfather was in the 1st infantry division that had the pleasure of taking Omaha beach.
He said they had spent weeks waterproofing jeeps to use, and he would say, "we're still waiting on those damned jeeps"...He said they sank like a rock.
He said he just put his head down and ran.
He also fought in the Ardennes Forest. Said they would attack during the day and retreat at night. Said he walked into a barn one night to sleep and someone yelled his name, and it was a guy he knew from his hometown and asked him, "how the hell are you?"
He said they had spent weeks waterproofing jeeps to use, and he would say, "we're still waiting on those damned jeeps"...He said they sank like a rock.
He said he just put his head down and ran.
He also fought in the Ardennes Forest. Said they would attack during the day and retreat at night. Said he walked into a barn one night to sleep and someone yelled his name, and it was a guy he knew from his hometown and asked him, "how the hell are you?"
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:54 am to Sparkplug#1
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but they did the job for the most part.
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and that they weren't made very well, but did the JOB.
I think you're vastly underestimating the role that the Higgins boat played in WWII. They essentially ELIMINATED the necessity of having a harbor to land ground troops. With the amphibious landings in Europe (especially D-Day) and all the island hopping in the Pacific, there was no better piece of equipment to transport the men and cargo needed to win the war during the earliest stages of many of these battles.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:58 am to White Roach
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Darth, I would add to your point, that LCVPs were cheaper to produce than AmTracs and they could carry more troops.
And I think that's the key fact to using the Higgins boats instead of AmTracks at Normandy. The number of troops being landed simply made using AmTracks not a viable option. An Amtrack could only hold 18 troops while a Higgins boat could carry 36.
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