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re: 72 Years Ago - May We Never Forget Their Sacrifice
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:24 pm to Godfather1
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:24 pm to Godfather1
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I think it's safe to say that the men who stormed those beaches 72 years ago today accomplished something greater in one day than any of these downvoting cocksuckers will ever accomplish in their entire miserable existences.
TD is largely inhabited by overgrown, socially awkward teens. The world is theoretical to them.
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:32 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:39 pm to Jim Rockford
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I heard Garfield Ray's BAR talking American. Then there was silence.
frickin' A
Posted on 6/6/16 at 2:52 pm to TbirdSpur2010
From my perspective, D-Day was an unbelievable but crucial campaign. Those guys had to know their chances for survival were slim. It was an incredible feat, and yes, I am grateful for their service and sacrifice.
For what it's worth, thousands of troops trained in Central Louisiana (Camps Polk, Claiborne, Livingston, Beauregard, and Stafford among others.
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Legend has it that the initial plan for what would be the D-Day Invasion was initially conceived afterhours in the bar (Mirror Room) of the Hotel Bentley, which just reopened.
For what it's worth, thousands of troops trained in Central Louisiana (Camps Polk, Claiborne, Livingston, Beauregard, and Stafford among others.
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Legend has it that the initial plan for what would be the D-Day Invasion was initially conceived afterhours in the bar (Mirror Room) of the Hotel Bentley, which just reopened.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 3:06 pm to Redbone
Redbone
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Dont' know you sir, but I would have to say based on your posting history, that whatever your age I hope you are able to influence as many as you can.
I've spoken with two Omaha beach warriors from my dad's era. One spoke freely and told our little post round of golf group when asked..."we were at the tail end of the first line of landing craft (he gave the name?). I had lifted my head to watch and nearly knocked myself out from a wave we hit. I've seen scared men before, but to a man no one could speak a single word. We knew we were going to die".
My only wish in life that will now never be fulfilled was to visit the memorial gravesites at Normandy.
Thank you, OH God thank you for those brave men from WWII that afforded me the chance to enjoy the best times of America. Amen.
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Dont' know you sir, but I would have to say based on your posting history, that whatever your age I hope you are able to influence as many as you can.
I've spoken with two Omaha beach warriors from my dad's era. One spoke freely and told our little post round of golf group when asked..."we were at the tail end of the first line of landing craft (he gave the name?). I had lifted my head to watch and nearly knocked myself out from a wave we hit. I've seen scared men before, but to a man no one could speak a single word. We knew we were going to die".
My only wish in life that will now never be fulfilled was to visit the memorial gravesites at Normandy.
Thank you, OH God thank you for those brave men from WWII that afforded me the chance to enjoy the best times of America. Amen.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 3:16 pm to damnedoldtigah
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From my perspective, D-Day was an unbelievable but crucial campaign. Those guys had to know their chances for survival were slim. It was an incredible feat, and yes, I am grateful for their service and sacrifice
It could have been far worse than it was. Two factors helped the Allies greatly.
1. The Allies did a dam good job at tricking the Germans into thinking the main landing would come at Pas-de-Calais and Normandy was just a distraction. This kept vital German reserves far from the critical point of effort in Normandy.
2. Rommel was not allowed to station his Panzer reserves closer to the beaches. And on top of this, it took hours before he got clearance to move his Panzers up by which time it was fully daylight (thus exposing the Panzers to unrelenting air attack and naval gunfire) and the Allies had time to land substantial forces.
Had either or both of those two things gone differently, losses on D-Day would have been catastrophic and it's even possible the landings could have failed.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 3:21 pm to Godfather1
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I'm not sure who downvotes this, but hey... to all five of you fricks.
Believe it or not, Bernie supporters do exist.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 3:23 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 6/6/16 at 3:57 pm to Weaver
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I think Saving Private Ryan did a great job of what I could see it being like on Omaha Beach
The sector of Omaha Beach they portrayed in Saving Private Ryan is where the 29th Infantry Division went ashore in the first wave on D-Day. The 29th was (and still is today) a National Guard division. They were just one of many National Guard divisions who fought with distinction in WWII in all theaters of the war.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:16 pm to Darth_Vader
My father was in service at that time. He did not directly take part in the invasion, but had a few stories about what happened and his group's role in providing support for it. He's been gone now for about 24 years. I had several uncles who served in the Pacific, all gone now although I remember the stories they shared.
It was a very damned scary time. Our existence as a country and society were on the line. We took the battle over there to help in order to keep it from coming here. Otherwise, it would have been too late. There is so much that we take for granted, and while there are exceptions, the generations after us really don't understand.
Now, we are in a very different kind of world with a leader who seems hell bent on our demise as a country.
It was a very damned scary time. Our existence as a country and society were on the line. We took the battle over there to help in order to keep it from coming here. Otherwise, it would have been too late. There is so much that we take for granted, and while there are exceptions, the generations after us really don't understand.
Now, we are in a very different kind of world with a leader who seems hell bent on our demise as a country.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:33 pm to damnedoldtigah
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My father was in service at that time. He did not directly take part in the invasion, but had a few stories about what happened and his group's role in providing support for it. He's been gone now for about 24 years. I had several uncles who served in the Pacific, all gone now although I remember the stories they shared. It was a very damned scary time. Our existence as a country and society were on the line. We took the battle over there to help in order to keep it from coming here. Otherwise, it would have been too late. There is so much that we take for granted, and while there are exceptions, the generations after us really don't understand. Now, we are in a very different kind of world with a leader who seems hell bent on our demise as a country.
That's another aspect of WWII that I think many would have a hard time grasping today, namely how just about every male member of military age was involved in the war in some capacity.
We've just finished fighting two wars in the Middle East lasting over a decade. But it was rare for any family to have more than one member personally involved in either war. In fact, I'd say the vast majority of American families either had one or even no member involved in these wars. To the average American, these wars were just another story on CNN or FOX. They had little to no personal involvement.
WWII on the other hand saw just about every male from most families either in uniform or, if unfit for service, working in a war related civilian job. And on top of that, you'd see a good chuck of the women likewise involved in some sort of war industry. World War II not only touched the lives of just about every American at that time, it was the main focus of their entire life from 1941 to 1945.
To give some perspective of how much the war affected everyone's lives then, from early 1942 until the end of the war there was not one single civilian automobile produced in the US. Imagine how that would look today.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:40 pm to Darth_Vader
As has happened before, we watched a situation develop too long before going into it, and then went into it inadequately prepared. We had to ramp things up, and the only way to do it was that everyone had to chip in.
Didn't know the thing about the civilian vehicles. Learned a new one there, but given that we were diverting as many material and personnel resources to building ships, tanks, and fighter plans - not to mention put a shite load of men through basic training on a massive basis, I could certainly understand why.
Didn't know the thing about the civilian vehicles. Learned a new one there, but given that we were diverting as many material and personnel resources to building ships, tanks, and fighter plans - not to mention put a shite load of men through basic training on a massive basis, I could certainly understand why.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:43 pm to damnedoldtigah
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It was a very damned scary time. Our existence as a country and society were on the line. We took the battle over there to help in order to keep it from coming here. Otherwise, it would have been too late.
My grandfather served in WW2 and this statement in my opinion is bullshite. There was never going to be foot soldiers on US soil. The Korean and Vietnam War wasnt about protecting our freedom either. Its all lies to support the machine. War is profit. We made tons of money sending our people to die and we continue to do it today. The people in charge back then arent any different than today.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:54 pm to damnedoldtigah
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Didn't know the thing about the civilian vehicles. Learned a new one there, but given that we were diverting as many material and personnel resources to building ships, tanks, and fighter plans - not to mention put a shite load of men through basic training on a massive basis, I could certainly understand why.
The no new cars during WWII was just one of many aspects of how the war affected everyday life. Everything, including food and gasoline, was rationed and many items were virtually impossible to get all together.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:55 pm to saintsfan1977
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My grandfather served in WW2 and this statement in my opinion is bullshite. There was never going to be foot soldiers on US soil. The Korean and Vietnam War wasnt about protecting our freedom either. Its all lies to support the machine. War is profit. We made tons of money sending our people to die and we continue to do it today. The people in charge back then arent any different than today.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:11 pm to saintsfan1977
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My grandfather served in WW2 and this statement in my opinion is bull shite. There was never going to be foot soldiers on US soil. The Korean and Vietnam War wasnt about protecting our freedom either. Its all lies to support the machine. War is profit. We made tons of money sending our people to die and we continue to do it today. The people in charge back then arent any different than today.
kys, thanks
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:17 pm to Wolfhound45
Amen!
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:20 pm to geauxtigers87
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I don't know how anyone got off that beach
As difficult as it was, the Germans did not consider Normandy a likely invasion target. The defenses were incomplete and manned by second rate troops. There were areas along the French coast that would have been impossible to assault.
One of the D Day books talks about American troops capturing some Koreans in German uniforms. They had been conscripted by the Japanese, captured by the Russians in their 1939 border skirmish with Japan, conscripted into the Red Army, captured and conscripted once again by the Germans, and wound up on the coast of France on D Day.
Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:27 pm to Darth_Vader
My step grandfather fought in Europe. He had some nerve damage in his face so was very difficult to understand. When I tell you he was messed up mentally in the war, I mean he was REALLY messed up. He refused to talk about it. The simplest things made him cry uncontrollably. He could be immensely sweet and yet at as mean and racist as you can imagine. No one understood him and we were told not to ask him anything.
I remember as a child, I spent the night with my grandparents alone and I was just getting interested in WWII. I was dying to know something, anything, so I asked. It was just him and me. I remember he thought for a long time. He started to talk, and got one sentence out. It was about seeing his friend explode when he stepped on a mine. He then broke down and couldn't talk. He balled uncontrollably, then got up and told me to follow him.
He went into his room, and pulled out an old military chest. He told me to take whatever I wanted, then walked out the room. He wouldn't watch me open it, and told me to put it back away when I was done. I swear, I don't think it had been opened since he returned from the war. When I tell you this thing was filled with stuff, I mean, it was awesome. But I was a kid, and didn't really understand the value of it. So I ended up taking a few trinkets of things he had pulled off of dead Nazi soldiers. Then, He had a bunch of coins from every place that he went. Most from France. Some of the coins date back to the 1800's. I don't think any of it is worth much, but I treasure those things so much and keep them on a shelf in my home office.
Looking back, I remember maps from the war, and attack plans and stuff like that. So many other things in that chest that I wish so badly I would have taken. But I didn't really appreciate them or understand. I have no idea what happened to that chest. I heard his family took it after he died.
Everyone always thought he was strange. But looking back, I understand now why he was so messed up. He never dealt with it, and was a severe alcoholic until he died. But I appreciate him now, so much, for what he did.
I remember as a child, I spent the night with my grandparents alone and I was just getting interested in WWII. I was dying to know something, anything, so I asked. It was just him and me. I remember he thought for a long time. He started to talk, and got one sentence out. It was about seeing his friend explode when he stepped on a mine. He then broke down and couldn't talk. He balled uncontrollably, then got up and told me to follow him.
He went into his room, and pulled out an old military chest. He told me to take whatever I wanted, then walked out the room. He wouldn't watch me open it, and told me to put it back away when I was done. I swear, I don't think it had been opened since he returned from the war. When I tell you this thing was filled with stuff, I mean, it was awesome. But I was a kid, and didn't really understand the value of it. So I ended up taking a few trinkets of things he had pulled off of dead Nazi soldiers. Then, He had a bunch of coins from every place that he went. Most from France. Some of the coins date back to the 1800's. I don't think any of it is worth much, but I treasure those things so much and keep them on a shelf in my home office.
Looking back, I remember maps from the war, and attack plans and stuff like that. So many other things in that chest that I wish so badly I would have taken. But I didn't really appreciate them or understand. I have no idea what happened to that chest. I heard his family took it after he died.
Everyone always thought he was strange. But looking back, I understand now why he was so messed up. He never dealt with it, and was a severe alcoholic until he died. But I appreciate him now, so much, for what he did.
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