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re: Addison Plane Crash Video - Can any OT aviation experts explain it
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:34 am to EA6B
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:34 am to EA6B
quote:If he would have remained straight he could have gradually gained altitude but he panicked and started to make his emergency go around. A plane turning loses some lift under the wings. He could have gained altitude then made a safe landing at the same airport or another one close by.
Without full power from both engines it could not climb, the pilot realizing he is running out of runway and not gaining altitude starts pulling back on the yoke in a attempt to get some altitude
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Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:35 am to JPinLondon
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When you are about to click 'Submit' and you've typed up a zinger involving the fiery deaths of those folks, do you pause a little bit? Just asking.
You’re right, poor taste
But the NTSB doesn’t know anything beyond “problem with the left engine”, so why would anyone here be able to tell anything from a grainy video a mile away
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:45 am to airlinehwypanhandler
im no expert but i watch a lot of "why planes crash" and that looks a lot like they forgot to put the flaps down to add lift so it could take off, and while trying to do that after they were in the air, the pilot lost control either by distraction searching for a way to correct the situation or by panicking
the way it flipped at the ends loots a lot like the controls slipped out of the pilots hands because there is no other way a plane flying level should have done that
the way it flipped at the ends loots a lot like the controls slipped out of the pilots hands because there is no other way a plane flying level should have done that
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:46 am to keakar
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im no expert but i watch a lot of "why planes crash" and that looks a lot like they forgot to put the flaps down to add lift so it could take off and while trying to do that after they were in the air the pilot lost control either by distraction or by panic
Yeah, basically all of this is incorrect per the black box and NTSB
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:50 am to Derrick From Texas
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in a fiery plane crash!!!
Hopefully they didn’t get to experience the fiery part of it
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:52 am to Derrick From Texas
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Uhhh, maybe it was just jesus calling them home. it was their time and jesus and/or god decided that this is how he/she was going to take them home/back to heaven...in a fiery plane crash!!!
and no, I did not pause b4 hitting submit.
I like to think that when I make comments in poor taste, they're clever
Unlike this douche
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:53 am to airlinehwypanhandler
I don't like take offs.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 11:54 am to MBclass83
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I don't like take offs.
I don’t think you’ll ever find me in a small plane
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:09 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
Man I hate video clips from the news. Can’t these people stfu for 5 seconds and just let the video play?
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:11 pm to Bedhog
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If he would have remained straight he could have gradually gained altitude but he panicked and started to make his emergency go around. A plane turning loses some lift under the wings. He could have gained altitude then made a safe landing at the same airport or another one close by.
Addison airport is in the middle of a damn neighborhood.
He had the DNT on his left and homes/businesses at the front/rear/left.
Not a pilot obviously, but more could have been killed if the same situation happened 300 yards further up.
There's a small prop landing strip about 5mi north of addison, but the closest airport would be KDAL. Maybe Denton.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:20 pm to 50_Tiger
LUV was right there, unless they were taking off to the north, did not check that.
This post was edited on 7/16/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:24 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:all twin engine aircraft are designed to fly and actually gain altitude with one engine.
Addison airport is in the middle of a damn neighborhood.
He had the DNT on his left and homes/businesses at the front/rear/left.
Not a pilot obviously, but more could have been killed if the same situation happened 300 yards further up.
There's a small prop landing strip about 5mi north of addison, but the closest airport would be KDAL. Maybe Denton.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:27 pm to Bedhog
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all twin engine aircraft are designed to fly and actually gain altitude with one engine.
Yessir you have made this very clear in the thread. I was just pointing out for whatever reason the "same" situation happened further up it would have been worse potentially.
I 100% accept your thought that the pilot could have saved the aircraft.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:33 pm to Bedhog
Pure speculation, to me it looks as though the aircraft made something of a flat turn, no rudder inputs, before inverting. Could have been a stabilizer, rudder failure.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:35 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
Your shouldn’t turn into a dead engine.
Hot, heavy, and possibly inexperienced with engine out procedures.
Sad all around.
Hot, heavy, and possibly inexperienced with engine out procedures.
Sad all around.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:38 pm to airlinehwypanhandler
Damn, that's absolutely terrifying. Wow.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 12:42 pm to 50_Tiger
Sad. Looks like engine failure (im wondering if bird strike and i think sucking up fod on the runway is unlikely.... possible but doubtful. I do agree with people who are saying the captain tried to make a quick go around and with only one engine working going around towards the left side was a crucial mistake.
I haven't heard anything from NTSB or anyone else. When I get the cobwebs out my head I'll watch the video a few more times.
I haven't heard anything from NTSB or anyone else. When I get the cobwebs out my head I'll watch the video a few more times.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 7:02 pm to BottomlandBrew
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At least it looked relatively quick for the passengers. They might have had some hope until it stalled and flipped, which happened quickly.
My guess is that it probably felt like forever within the plane.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 7:21 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Obviously they had some sort of engine malfunction.
It's possible the left engine failed because the aircraft yawed into it. A left engine failure is generally much more dangerous than a right engine failure because of the way the propellers spin. There is an autofeather system on the king air which is supposed to, believe it or not, automatically feather the prop of the failed engine. Feathering is basically pointing the sharp edge of the prop into the wind so you don't have a bunch of extra drag on the airplane while you're trying to climb on one engine and maintain directional control. The autofeather makes these engine failures on takeoff about a 1000x more manageable. I have my doubts about whether or not the autofeather worked properly in this instance because the yaw to the left was so damn dramatic. It's also possible that they just forgot to turn it on but that's not likely unless it was a pretty inexpreienced aircrew. Turning on the autofeather in a King Air is basically a muscle memory item before lining up on the runway(its on the checklist too obviously).
Another equally possible scenario is a torque runaway on the right hand engine. This is more dangerous because it gives you asymetrical thrust exactly like a left engine failure would. Pilots train so much for engine failures at takeoff that most would automatically assume a left engine failure as opposed to a right engine runaway. They would then shutdown the left engine only exasperating the asymetrical thrust. The autofeather would also take longer to kick in in this scenario.
I also zoomed in on the video and it appears they didn't pull the gear up after takeoff. That's one of the first things you should do with a power loss at takeoff, or any takeoff really. That gear adds a shitton of drag making it much harder to climb or maintain directional control.
It's possible the left engine failed because the aircraft yawed into it. A left engine failure is generally much more dangerous than a right engine failure because of the way the propellers spin. There is an autofeather system on the king air which is supposed to, believe it or not, automatically feather the prop of the failed engine. Feathering is basically pointing the sharp edge of the prop into the wind so you don't have a bunch of extra drag on the airplane while you're trying to climb on one engine and maintain directional control. The autofeather makes these engine failures on takeoff about a 1000x more manageable. I have my doubts about whether or not the autofeather worked properly in this instance because the yaw to the left was so damn dramatic. It's also possible that they just forgot to turn it on but that's not likely unless it was a pretty inexpreienced aircrew. Turning on the autofeather in a King Air is basically a muscle memory item before lining up on the runway(its on the checklist too obviously).
Another equally possible scenario is a torque runaway on the right hand engine. This is more dangerous because it gives you asymetrical thrust exactly like a left engine failure would. Pilots train so much for engine failures at takeoff that most would automatically assume a left engine failure as opposed to a right engine runaway. They would then shutdown the left engine only exasperating the asymetrical thrust. The autofeather would also take longer to kick in in this scenario.
I also zoomed in on the video and it appears they didn't pull the gear up after takeoff. That's one of the first things you should do with a power loss at takeoff, or any takeoff really. That gear adds a shitton of drag making it much harder to climb or maintain directional control.
Posted on 7/16/19 at 7:36 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Looks like a stall due to lack of airspeed...due to engine failure during takeoff, when airspeed is critical.
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