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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:31 am to Hangit
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:31 am to Hangit
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But sometimes it may be better to try and hold that arm a bit longer and try and subdue him.
From the 2nd video, it sure looks like they are having a lot of trouble controlling both of his arms, especially the right one, since it's close to the bumper of the car. You can even see his shoulder / elbow moving up and down on his side in the second video. There was good reason for them to be concerned, perhaps fearful that he was trying to get his gun. It only takes a second to do that, then it's over.
The facts are that the officers received a report that he was armed, and "brandished" it to the homeless guy. Not sure if that means "pointed at" or just showed it to him. It doesn't matter all that much. He was threatened. When the cops arrived, Alton certainly knew he had a gun in his pocket (if what was pulled from his pocket was a gun). He struggled with police while posessing a concealed weapon within arms reach. I don't see very many good ways that this situation can end.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:31 am to Brageous
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considering salamoni's dad is a captain
Sounds like a line from the Soprano's
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:32 am to LSU alum wannabe
quote:The taser didn't work. Once you use force (taser, physical, etc), you better be ready to fight. Why the taser? He wouldn't comply with getting on the ground is my guess. They wanted to search him to get the gun off. Remove the gun and any other weapons and they can continue an investigation. It would have brought up that he wasn't supposed to carry a gun. He would have gotten charged for multiple crimes. He would have likely gone back to jail. The fight didn't start because of the cops...
What prompted that guy to put his hands on that dude?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:37 am to Chad504boy
Read the OP, and watch the two videos. Pretty much all you're gonna learn. This thread is 145 pages of Matlock wannabes arguing about if Sterling has blue laces or aqua laces on his kicks
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:39 am to ThatMakesSense
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And the cop still pointing his gun. It's "worse"
Looks bad. BUT, I don't know when I am putting my gun down after being in a fight where I've decided to shoot someone? I may still be holding the gun up.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:39 am to LSU alum wannabe
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What prompted that guy to put his hands on that dude?
Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
I mean, I don't get how that's such a crazy thought process to have, but there are quite a few posters who don't seem to grasp it.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:40 am to ell_13
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Cop by his legs fires first after he yells about the gun
pretty sure this is incorrect
cop by his legs is the one trying to restrain him at that point. the cop by his head fires the first two shots. i don't know who fires the last three.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:43 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:42 am to ell_13
The second video is horrifying but has IMO proven the cops were justified. If you examine it closely, Alton is trying his damnest to slide his hand down towards his right pocket where the gun is. The cops very directly warned him not to move.
Whats the protocol on the number of times you can safely taze someone? I know repeated tazings have caused a few deaths. Is there a guideline on how many attempts with a taser an officer should make before changing tactics to physical takedowns
Whats the protocol on the number of times you can safely taze someone? I know repeated tazings have caused a few deaths. Is there a guideline on how many attempts with a taser an officer should make before changing tactics to physical takedowns
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:43 am to quail man
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Alton brought this on by not complying and resisting all non-lethal methods, period.
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so he deserves death for that?
He may not deserve to die, as you put it....
But I believe you forfeit a lot of rights and high ground when you fight with police.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:43 am to RB10
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Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
Disagree in this case. They used a taser. That guy was massive and armed. I don't ever want to be in a GOOD fight with someone. Everybody gets their arse whipped in a good fight.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:44 am to RB10
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Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
The suspect was reported to have a gun by MULTIPLE sources. Do you go into a gun fight without a gun? If you were in that situation, would you want to be prepared to die? I guarantee you in the back of their minds, they thought there was a chance this guy was going to open fire at them. This isn't the first time they've dealt with this guy. Maybe not personally, but if the guy is in that same location selling CDs in front of the store, I guarantee you they knew him previously. It shouldn't affect the outcome, but it gives perspective on the totality of the situation.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:45 am to RB10
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Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
In fact, it's pretty obvious that these cops didn't go at Sterling guns a blazing. They didn't draw on him until the very last moment after it became apparent that he wasn't going to just walk into custody.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:46 am to RB10
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Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
It wasnt, and they didnt but whatever
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:46 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Disagree in this case. They used a taser. That guy was massive and armed. I don't ever want to be in a GOOD fight with someone. Everybody gets their arse whipped in a good fight.
Most of the general population are critical of cops for being to quick to draw weapons in situations where non-lethal force is an option. Then, when cops try to use non-lethal force, people are saying they should have just drawn from the beginning because they "obviously" couldn't handle the suspect.
Gotta love double standards.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:46 am to More beer please
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It wasnt, and they didnt but whatever
Um....
That's kind of my point.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:47 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
Disagree in this case. They used a taser. That guy was massive and armed. I don't ever want to be in a GOOD fight with someone. Everybody gets their arse whipped in a good fight.
Also, they were responding to a report of a dumbass, Sterling, brandishing a gun at people. So they went in assuming he had a weapon on him, since that is what the call to the police was for.
So why would they not have their guns out after a guy suspected of having a weapon doens't comply to your orders?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:47 am to ell_13
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Do you think the cops said anything to him before the taser went off, yes or no? Any instructions at all?
I don't know. You don't either.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:48 am to MightyYat
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In fact, it's pretty obvious that these cops didn't go at Sterling guns a blazing. They didn't draw on him until the very last moment after it became apparent that he wasn't going to just walk into custody.
HOLY frickING shite.....Can you people read?
My entire point is they shouldn't be criticized for trying to resolve the situation without opening fire.
God damn
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am to RB10
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Maybe because a cops first instinct shouldn't be to pull a gun if there are non-lethal options of subduing a suspect still available?
What do you call tazering the guy first and then taking him down and trying to arrest himm
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 9:51 am to LSU alum wannabe
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