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re: Anybody know this guy? He needs to be arrested.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:21 am to Wolfhound45
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:21 am to Wolfhound45
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Here is the key issue. He may be in the Guard, but unless he was on active duty at the time they will not have (for the most part) jurisdiction on him for this particular matter.
As an officer in the Reserves, USMJ applies at all times, regardless of duty status. Does not apply for enlisted unless on duty status.
I'm not sure about the Guard.
Regardless, there are plenty of morons in the military that do dumb crap, they get paper work and maybe it affects the next promotion cycle, but they don't end up breaking rocks at Levenworth.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 8:22 am
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:42 am to slacker130
quote:Just retired as a COL, USAR (AGR). Not entirely correct. It can apply but (in general) you do not have jurisdiction to prosecute if they are not in an active Title 10 status (an exception would be an instance of good order and discipline). There are other ways to address this though, particularly for an officer (pretty sure you know what I mean about that). He is eventually going to get his comeuppance from the Guard.
As an officer in the Reserves, USMJ applies at all times, regardless of duty status.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 8:57 am to Wolfhound45
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Here is the key issue. He may be in the Guard, but unless he was on active duty at the time they will not have (for the most part) jurisdiction on him for this particular matter.
even as an officer? If you can expound on what the consequences will be from a military standpoint, much appreciated
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quote:this
He is eventually going to get his comeuppance from the Guard.
This post was edited on 12/15/21 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:09 am to DomincDecoco
Speaking in very general terms from a commander's standpoint (two battalion commands, two brigade commands), the command JAG (located at the GO HQ for the USAR) will be the individual you turn to when preparing charges. They are going to be reluctant to draw up charges on a person not on orders (for a myriad of reasons). BLUF - if you are not prepared to go to a courts martial you do not offer non-judicial punishment. And rarely does a USAR GO HQ conduct a courts martial. Those (in general) go to an active component installation near to the USAR GO HQ. So it becomes even more difficult/problematic. Trust me, as a former GO HQ chief of staff I am very familiar with how this unfolds.
In regards to your second question, the information from this incident can (unfortunately) easily be incorporated into an evaluation (a career ender) or be the rationale for a general officer memorandum of reprimand (GOMAR). Both are very difficult to appeal and effectively end your career. I am not saying that either is the appropriate way to go, but they are often used. Just my personal experiences and observations.
Hope all of this makes sense.
In regards to your second question, the information from this incident can (unfortunately) easily be incorporated into an evaluation (a career ender) or be the rationale for a general officer memorandum of reprimand (GOMAR). Both are very difficult to appeal and effectively end your career. I am not saying that either is the appropriate way to go, but they are often used. Just my personal experiences and observations.
Hope all of this makes sense.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 9:38 am to la_birdman
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don't think the elderly man was looking for a fight but he was sick of seeing this guy talk to all these strangers in the way he was
That, but IMO more so, the old guy was probably still “in the moment” of having Roid charge him and feint attacks at his person (was it once or twice?), and set on getting his words in, not trying to fight him.
Kind of like “hold on sonny I’m not done telling you my piece.” This in no way warrants knocking him out, and no real man would have done so.
Even trying to place yourself in Roid’s shoes at that moment (scary thought), it would have been an insult and threat, maybe worst case scenario a solid shove back. Any functional man, especially a strong, fit type, knows when you throw that punch aimed at someone’s head, you are trying to hurt them.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:20 am to Wolfhound45
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There are other ways to address this though, particularly for an officer (pretty sure you know what I mean about that).
Could this be a Colonel Jessup ordering a “Code Red” situation?
And if so would Suarez be in grave danger?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:24 am to Wolfhound45
Semi-related... I remember that ROTC grads used to be commissioned into the Reserves (even if going straight to active duty) and academy grads into the regular Army. Is this still true? What about Guard? Is that some third category of commission altogether?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:31 am to tiger_nurse
That old man will drink free for the next year just off well wishers.
If he successfully sues the jailbird, much longer.
If he successfully sues the jailbird, much longer.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:34 am to UncleLester
quote:You said, "Is there any other kind?"
And if so would Suarez be in grave danger?
Posted on 12/15/21 at 10:39 am to USMEagles
quote:Can be commissioned into the Regular Army, National Guard or Army Reserve depending upon their contract and class standing.
ROTC grads
quote:With few exceptions are commissioned into the Regular Army for an Active Duty Service Obligation (ADSO).
academy grads
What we did not address is an OCS grad (in general, commissioned with a Reserve commission into either the active or reserve component or the National Guard) and a direct commission (for the Army, generally lawyers and health care professionals).
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:08 am to Big EZ Tiger
quote:You're not allowed to say that, if the dudes from yesterday see this, they will be coming for you!
It might not have been the smartest move for him to go near the guy
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:11 am to Wolfhound45
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He is eventually going to get his comeuppance from the Guard.
He'll likely get some kind of other-than-honorable discharge. And I don't know if he's got his 20 in or not, but if he does, there goes the retirement.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:18 am to shel311
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shel311
quote:
smart
There’s a difference between smart & wise
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:24 am to slacker130
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Regardless, there are plenty of morons in the military that do dumb crap, they get paper work and maybe it affects the next promotion cycle, but they don't end up breaking rocks at Levenworth.
Yeah, the military's not going to put him in jail or anything.
But my money is that his military career is effectively over. And that's a big hit to take for two minutes of stupidity.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:33 am to Godfather1
quote:He will crush you!
...two minutes of stupidity.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:33 am to threeputt
Where is another link to see this video? I don't have Facebook.
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:37 am to Contra
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:38 am to Contra
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:43 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Weekend Warrior79
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Wolfhound45
Thanks.
What a douchebag
Posted on 12/15/21 at 11:44 am to Contra
quote:HE WILL CRUSH YOU
What a douchebag
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