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Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:08 pm to BrodyDad
sure they are a real thing, insomuch as i believe in right and wrong and good and evil.
the problem is that they are weaponized arbitrarily for political agendas - insisted upon or ignored as convenient.
the problem is that they are weaponized arbitrarily for political agendas - insisted upon or ignored as convenient.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:11 pm to BrodyDad
How Christian of you to only care if certain people are mistreated 
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:12 pm to LakeSide Lovin
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mistreated
Who defines this?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:12 pm to BrodyDad
I see “human rights” as acting/treating people in a way consistent with being civilized. Having a code of ethics that sets us as humans apart from all the other animals.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:13 pm to BrodyDad
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Are "human rights" a real thing and why should I care
If we are being honest, NO they aren’t.
While it is a nice fantasy piece of civilized culture, the reality os that we only have whatever “rights” those in charge give us.
And every one of them can vanish in a heartbeat if the whim strikes those in power…unless you are truly willing to fight and die for them. And then you have to actually win.
Just look at 20th century Europe and Asia if you don’t believe it
Hell, look at many places around the world today. “Human rights” are a fallacy.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:13 pm to BrodyDad
Kind of. For stuff like healthcare you have no right to someone else’s services of any kind. But you do have the right to mot be fricked with and you should maintain the right to defend yourself
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:16 pm to DaleGribblesMower
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But you do have the right to mot be fricked with
Says who?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:21 pm to BrodyDad
Human rights are articulated beliefs that extend from natural law and human law with regards to how we view and treat one another, and they play a role in defining limits of power that a government might have over an individual, or what freedoms an individual might have (important when individuals and their disparate beliefs bump up against one another).
To the extent they help eveyone get on the same page with regards to a hierarchy of values that help society work smoothly, they are useful.
Like any positive idea, human rights can be inverted in a way-- used like a talisman-- by unethical actors to deflect criticism away from their unethical activity by which they seek to impose their will and belief over others.
I don't think anyone is claiming you should get yourself worked up and protest human rights violations in China, or wherever. But there is some value in being ethical and moral enough to care about principles; and to care enough about your fellow man that you spend a little bit of time now and again-- especially if you engage with the news in any way-- to consider what is right and wrong at home and abroad.
This is a part of the Judeo-Christian values you say you're interested in, though I won't try to convince you of that.
Suffice to say, there is a moral component to education that used to be exercised in this country a long time ago. It's absence is apparent in your confused indifference.
To the extent they help eveyone get on the same page with regards to a hierarchy of values that help society work smoothly, they are useful.
Like any positive idea, human rights can be inverted in a way-- used like a talisman-- by unethical actors to deflect criticism away from their unethical activity by which they seek to impose their will and belief over others.
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As it stands, I care about protecting the rights of Judeo-Christians worldwide and especially those in the U.S. That is it. If China wants to treat their people like garbage, I cant work myself up to care.
I am sure some think I am wrong, but from an ultra- conservative viewpoint, why should I care?
I don't think anyone is claiming you should get yourself worked up and protest human rights violations in China, or wherever. But there is some value in being ethical and moral enough to care about principles; and to care enough about your fellow man that you spend a little bit of time now and again-- especially if you engage with the news in any way-- to consider what is right and wrong at home and abroad.
This is a part of the Judeo-Christian values you say you're interested in, though I won't try to convince you of that.
Suffice to say, there is a moral component to education that used to be exercised in this country a long time ago. It's absence is apparent in your confused indifference.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:28 pm to BrodyDad
I ain't a christian, in fact I am about as far from being as one can get....but I have read a bible several times and I have some knowledge of the teachings in the bible and there is a heaping pile in it about those who can aiding those who can't.
But why, if you don't care a bit about what happens to Chinese kids, for example, would you care what happens to any child you ain't responsible for? It flies in the face of human nature to stake the stand you claim to take but why stop at a line on a map?
But why, if you don't care a bit about what happens to Chinese kids, for example, would you care what happens to any child you ain't responsible for? It flies in the face of human nature to stake the stand you claim to take but why stop at a line on a map?
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:32 pm to TexasTiger08
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Wow. And this is a Christian take?
I certainly care. I obviously am in no position to do anything about it, and holding up a sign in the street is just a self-centered attention grab.
You are doing something about it....you care. That means you may be less likely to support the abuser financially. It means you may vote for a politician in this country who is in a position to do something about it. I get it that we feel helpless and there's nothing we can do but our being aware and concerned is something and multiply that times millions it becomes a big something.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:34 pm to GRTiger
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If you have faith, God grants rights and and is the authority on what is right and wrong.
If you are not, I don't know where rights and morals come from. I guess you enjoy any right you can obtain or instill by force or violence, and morality is determined by the strongest individuals.
God may or may not exist and may grant rights but man is in control of those rights. Many a righteous follower of God has seen her rights stripped away, even the most basic of them, her right to her self, from government
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:36 pm to BrodyDad
Stop worrying about what you have the right to do and worry about doing what's right.
JBE
JBE
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:38 pm to BrodyDad
I agree with Jefferson.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:41 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Many a righteous follower of God has seen her rights stripped away,
Not the ones endowed by God.
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from government
It sounds like this is who you believe grants you your rights.
Certainly their is no issue with them taking them away in your view.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:42 pm to BrodyDad
quote:That about sums up current American conservatism
Are "human rights" a real thing
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:45 pm to AwgustaDawg
The OP raised an interesting idea, intentionally or not. Is there such a thing as human rights apart from a cultural agreement. Meaning, did God establish human rights that he will judge us based on (among other things)? I'm not sure I have a confident answer. I very much believe God established morality, but I don't think "human rights" is a special moral category. Maybe it is. Definitely gives me something to think about.
Like, can I imagine a society that is godly where you don't have the right to speak in public at all? Everyone has to be silent in public spaces. It's a weird scenario, but it tests the limits of what I think about human rights and how they relate to God and general morality.
Like, can I imagine a society that is godly where you don't have the right to speak in public at all? Everyone has to be silent in public spaces. It's a weird scenario, but it tests the limits of what I think about human rights and how they relate to God and general morality.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:47 pm to TigerintheNO
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I agree with Jefferson.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I can't believe it took this long for someone to finally post the correct answer.
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:49 pm to Pettifogger
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I like that half the OT is going "wow, you're limiting to Judeo-Christian, gross"
And the other half is like "uh, lose the Judeo dude"
I don't think anyone is saying that
Posted on 2/11/26 at 2:49 pm to AUgryphon
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I very much believe God established morality, but I don't think "human rights" is a special moral category.
I see morality as the legal code or enforcement arm of the rights given to us by God.
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