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re: Centenary vs Northwestern State
Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:59 pm to Cooler
Posted on 2/9/25 at 12:59 pm to Cooler
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The 12k per year for Centenary is after TOPS and Cent. offer.
48k vs zero debt for a four year degree.
Sounds like a no brainer unless you like a lot of debt.
Northwestern State degree = Centenary degree.
You are not deciding between Harvard and a random state school. Save your money.
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:06 pm to ctiger69
It’s not necessarily debt if pops is paying for it
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:14 pm to Booyow
Yes, I would be paying for it lol
Posted on 2/9/25 at 1:24 pm to Cooler
My best friend went to Centenary. He loved it there. That’s all I got
Posted on 2/9/25 at 2:47 pm to Big Scrub TX
This post was edited on 2/22/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/9/25 at 6:22 pm to Cryptococcus
high MCAT scores aren’t a shoe in either. Nephew graduated top of class from DUKE. 4.0 gpa and gave commencement speech. Had a great score on MCAT. Applied for med school at duke, Stanford, and quite a few other schools on west coast just for a change of scenery. Didn’t get in any of them. He was only accepted to LSU as a legacy and southern miss because it was In state. At the last moment he was accepted to Ohio state and went that route. A lot of med school kids who are from out of the country and minorities get priority. Graduated top of the class from Ohio state and currently doing his residency at UNC chapel hill in dermatology. I guess it all
Worked out.
Worked out.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:10 am to BOSCEAUX
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My son
Completely different scenario.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:15 am to Cooler
My friend's stepdaughter got a free ride at NSU, she finished in a little over 2 years. Got accepted into LSU, and is only a few years from her MD. Money smells good, but free is ecstasy.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:55 am to Cooler
Centenary alums have great med school success- but keeping in mind that is only those who make it out of the pre-med program. it starts with 30-40 students, finished with 10. The rest go to PA, nursing, PT, OT schools after they don't get the GPA. (still good careers). With a 34 ACT, your kid will excel and get a great shot via the automatic interview and preferred med school admissions agreement Centenary has with LSUHSC. If truly set on in state med school, the Centenary cost is really minimal for the advantages. Surprised the LadyGents did not offer her more money. Yes it is a liberal school admin but the student body is reflective of that age group in society- not overly liberal compared to their peers because of the large amount of athletes.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 9:05 pm to Ghost of Colby
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I don’t know how Centenary does it.
I can tell you. Shreveport oil and nat gas money. LSUBR endowment is only 5x the size of Centenary, yet they have nearly 60x as many students as Centenary.
A lot of oil and gas has been discovered in the area since 1900. It's one of the oldest oil towns in the US. First offshore well was in Caddo Lake. Lot of that money has gone to Centenary endowment.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 9:15 pm to Cryptococcus
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Above all I think the best school for LSU-NOLA/Shreveport medical school would be LSU undergrad, though.
This isn't true based on what you said. You said Centenary has 4 in your med school class. LSU outnumbers Centenary in undergrad enrollment by 35k/550, nearly 60x.
Centenary has 4 in your med school class, that means if LSU were equal to Centenary, they would've place 4 x 60 = 240 in your class. The fact that there may be 70 in your class from LSU and 4 from Centenary means that LSU outnumbers Centenary 70/4 = 17x in your class, yet LSU outnumbers Centenary in undergrad enrollment by 60x. 60x / 17x means that Centenary per capita outperformed LSU by 4x in placement.
This all depends on if LSU sent 70 or not in your class, but I'd be willing to bet once you realize the enrollment of each college, that Centenary outperforms LSUBR for LSU Med School Shreveport in per capita enrollment.
I know someone on the board that admits med students into LSU Med School Shreveport. I know her personality, and they would love a Centenary kid coming from Shreveport. They will never admit this, but I know this individual female, and she's part of the Shreveport crowd that loves Shreveport. They have a "way" of making sure the good ole families from Shreveports' kids get in that have borderline stats. I know a handful of these kids.
I'd say Centenary over NWst even with $12k/year. She will make that 4 year tuition difference in 1st practicing year vs another job. I think you may underestimate how much all the hometown Shreveport residents on the board deciding who is admitted, will favor hometown Centenary over NWst. As well as reputation of the school, even though definitely not an amazing college. I think you'd even have a better shot per capita at Centenary than LSU BR if going to LSU-S Med, based on math above.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 9:35 pm to GentleJackJones
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school’s endowment/financial health, NSU is at $20,000,000, and Centenary is at $120,000,000
And Northwestern St has 9,500 students while Centenary has 550. So NSU has 17x as many students, yet 1/6th the endowment. Meaning per capita, Centenary has 17 x 6, 100x the amount of endowment per student as NSU.
Endowment definitely isn't the end all be all for deciding a college, but when one has 100x as much money per student as the other, then the facilities, professors, research, academics will be much better.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 9:49 pm to ctiger69
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Northwestern State degree = Centenary degree.
This just isn't true. Centenary at least has a decent reputation. Northwestern St just doesn't.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 9:50 pm to Saunson69
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Centenary at least has a decent reputation. Northwestern St just doesn't.
Nobody knows shite about Centenary outside of from Shreveport and 1970s NBA historians
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 10:00 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Nobody knows shite about Centenary except people from Shreveport and 1970s NBA historians
Around the US, yeah. But this girl's goal is med school, and if she's wanting LSU Shreveport Med, Centenary will be more favorable from a reputation standpoint to LSU Med Shv admissions comittee. Also people from Shreveport love people from Shreveport or went to Centenary as a sense of pride. That gives her advantage applying from Centenary over someone from NSU.
Same exact kid, same exact score, I think stands a much better shot coming from old Shreveport college of Centenary than NSU for LSU Med Shv. Just my 2 cents.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 10:12 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
The guys comment earlier kind of proves it. He said he has 4 kids in his 170 person Shreveport med school class from Centenary and 0 from Northwestern St.
Northwestern St has 9,500 undergrads. Centenary has 600. So Northwestern St has 16x as many undergrads as Centenary, yet put up 0 in that med school class... and Centenary with 1/16th the amount of undergraduates as Northwestern St, put up 4 in that class.
It makes a big difference OP. Centenary will give her a much better shot at LSU Shreveport Med School.
Northwestern St has 9,500 undergrads. Centenary has 600. So Northwestern St has 16x as many undergrads as Centenary, yet put up 0 in that med school class... and Centenary with 1/16th the amount of undergraduates as Northwestern St, put up 4 in that class.
It makes a big difference OP. Centenary will give her a much better shot at LSU Shreveport Med School.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 10:32 pm to Saunson69
Making a bunch of assumptions there.
While I get the point you are trying to make, LSU offers more majors, causing an enrollment disparity that isn’t relevant to medical school. Just because someone is enrolled in undergrad doesn’t mean they are applying to medical school.
Yes, it is true you can apply to medical school with any major as long as you have the required prerequisites (almost exclusively STEM based.
I don’t know where to find the number of graduates for specific majors at LSU. Just as an example, what proprotion of business majors do you think apply to medical school? I think we can both agree it’s low. Now which school has more graduates in business? You can get essentially apply the same concept to most majors (excluding biology, biochemistry, & microbiology). Per capita enrollment doesn’t account for this. Some people from this major cohort apply for PA, PT, OT, & dental school, further skewing this data.
You are also not taking into consideration that LSU-NOLA medical school (200 per class) is majority LSU grads. The most conservative estimate would have 170 of the 350 seats filled by LSU grads. I think a more accurate would figure would be 234/350 (66%).
I would bet between both schools that LSU undergrad has a higher acceptance rate per applicant than Centenary.
Ancedotal, but I have 3 buddies (in my graduating med school class) that are from Shreveport & went to LSU undergrad and got into LSUS-medical school with MCAT scores below the class average.
While I get the point you are trying to make, LSU offers more majors, causing an enrollment disparity that isn’t relevant to medical school. Just because someone is enrolled in undergrad doesn’t mean they are applying to medical school.
Yes, it is true you can apply to medical school with any major as long as you have the required prerequisites (almost exclusively STEM based.
I don’t know where to find the number of graduates for specific majors at LSU. Just as an example, what proprotion of business majors do you think apply to medical school? I think we can both agree it’s low. Now which school has more graduates in business? You can get essentially apply the same concept to most majors (excluding biology, biochemistry, & microbiology). Per capita enrollment doesn’t account for this. Some people from this major cohort apply for PA, PT, OT, & dental school, further skewing this data.
You are also not taking into consideration that LSU-NOLA medical school (200 per class) is majority LSU grads. The most conservative estimate would have 170 of the 350 seats filled by LSU grads. I think a more accurate would figure would be 234/350 (66%).
I would bet between both schools that LSU undergrad has a higher acceptance rate per applicant than Centenary.
Ancedotal, but I have 3 buddies (in my graduating med school class) that are from Shreveport & went to LSU undergrad and got into LSUS-medical school with MCAT scores below the class average.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:15 pm to Cryptococcus
You’re talking to a long time dumbass my friend, it’s pointless
Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:26 pm to Cooler
I don't know anything about the med side of Centenary. All I know is this. My genius brother did some Duke University 8th grade honors thing years ago and needed to take the ACT to get into the 3 week program. He got a 33 on the ACT in 8th grade. He had colleges across the country looking at him, and him at them... In the end, for undergrad, he went to Centenary (granted it was almost fully paid), and got his Physics Degree there before he went to Vanderbilt and got his PHD. One of the decisions for that, was the smaller size school allowed him time to work in his lab almost by himself with just him and the head of the physics department, or at times him and a team of about 5-6 other physic students. He didn't just get letters of recognition from the head, he actually published a paper and went to Greece to present the paper with him.
Grad programs do know Centenary in other parts of the country. If you have a chance to stand out and work hands on, you can benefit so much from that. My brother is super book smart and is definitely not the norm or measuring stick for a normal student, but I think his advice is pretty sound. If you can go there and do more reps and work with smaller groups to stand out more, that will give you a heads up on things.
Just my 2 cents.
Grad programs do know Centenary in other parts of the country. If you have a chance to stand out and work hands on, you can benefit so much from that. My brother is super book smart and is definitely not the norm or measuring stick for a normal student, but I think his advice is pretty sound. If you can go there and do more reps and work with smaller groups to stand out more, that will give you a heads up on things.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 11:34 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Lurked for many years, need to start remembering more names than OweO & el gaucho
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