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Posted on 1/18/26 at 5:22 pm to gungho
Goal
Posted on 1/18/26 at 5:23 pm to LSUtwolves
quote:
most of the forefathers were deists
False
Posted on 1/18/26 at 5:38 pm to TaderSalad
quote:
democrats aren't people... they're sub-human.
Agreed
Posted on 1/18/26 at 5:40 pm to Ice Cold
Were the overwhelming majority of people who came here initially Christians or nah?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 5:47 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Christian Christmas messages
I'm fine with that.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 5:50 pm to geaux4tigers
This is a complex question so its not going to be an easy black and white answer because the faiths and beliefs of the signers of the declaration werent exactly posted on a political website and the concept of deism is one that can be interpreted to mean a range of things.
It is an accepted fact that the vast majority of the signers of the declaration of independence were raised in Christian traditions, attended church, cited Christian concepts in their writings and supported the religions role in terms of its views on morality.
The best sources on the issue have the signers broken down something like this:
Traditional Christians (vast majority of signers):
Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, John Jay and a host of lesser known signers
Christian Deists (attended church, but avoided communion, etc):
George Washington, John Adams (probably a unitarian), James Madison
Deists/Rationalists (5-8 of the signers):
Franklin, Jefferson (didnt believe in the miracles associated with the bible but still carried it with him), Paine (anti-Christian), etc
So while a number of the famous signers were not strict Christians, the vast majority of the signers of the declaration were in fact Christian even if they had been influenced or accepted portions of deism into their thinking.
So while I think its certainly fair to say deism played a role in the thinking for some of our founders, even if they were skeptics of portions of the bible their values and morals were all (setting Franklin aside who was entirely unique) predicated to a large degree on traditional Christian values and mindsets even while not wanting there to be a specific requirement to be Christian or there to be a "Church of America".
And even Franklin likely would've agreed with Richard Dawkins in the concept of being a "cultural Christian" in that while he prefers the cultural ethos, traditions and specifically the outcomes shaped by living in a culture shaped by Christian concepts so long as they aren't taken to an unreasonable extreme.
It is an accepted fact that the vast majority of the signers of the declaration of independence were raised in Christian traditions, attended church, cited Christian concepts in their writings and supported the religions role in terms of its views on morality.
The best sources on the issue have the signers broken down something like this:
Traditional Christians (vast majority of signers):
Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, John Jay and a host of lesser known signers
Christian Deists (attended church, but avoided communion, etc):
George Washington, John Adams (probably a unitarian), James Madison
Deists/Rationalists (5-8 of the signers):
Franklin, Jefferson (didnt believe in the miracles associated with the bible but still carried it with him), Paine (anti-Christian), etc
So while a number of the famous signers were not strict Christians, the vast majority of the signers of the declaration were in fact Christian even if they had been influenced or accepted portions of deism into their thinking.
So while I think its certainly fair to say deism played a role in the thinking for some of our founders, even if they were skeptics of portions of the bible their values and morals were all (setting Franklin aside who was entirely unique) predicated to a large degree on traditional Christian values and mindsets even while not wanting there to be a specific requirement to be Christian or there to be a "Church of America".
And even Franklin likely would've agreed with Richard Dawkins in the concept of being a "cultural Christian" in that while he prefers the cultural ethos, traditions and specifically the outcomes shaped by living in a culture shaped by Christian concepts so long as they aren't taken to an unreasonable extreme.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 1/18/26 at 6:05 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
The OP needs to define what he means by "Christian Nationalism"?
This is the crux of the issue.
Some in this thread are assuming that to be a Christian Nationalist one has to want some sort of theocracy in which in order to be a citizen you have to believe in some strict interpretation of the bible.
For others, myself included, it would mean an intent to shape the culture based on an underlying Christian morality as an alternative to the modern progressive left which having abandoned the core concepts and tenants of Christianity defines morality in an ever evolving way based on concepts like "equity", race, power dynamics, privilege and inclusivity.
In short:
I am Christian and I believe in the morality outlined in the New Testament and as was generally agreed to in the traditional American worldview that was culturally accepted until the last 20-30 years.
Its ok for others not to specifically BE Christian, but in order for our nation to persist we must agree on a shared morality or face perpetual division or ultimate separation because the worldview I'm in favor of maintaining is incompatible to a large degree with those of the progressive left.
Even shorter "TL/DR":
Lets take this back to about 1995 and try to move forward in a more productive and cohesive way than 3rd & 4th wave feminism and intersectional politics.
This post was edited on 1/18/26 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 1/18/26 at 6:06 pm to gungho
Bedazzled jeans pastors playing an electric guitar for a 2.5 hour worship service isn’t the biggest threat to the country, but it’s also 100% not what our Christian founders ever envisioned.
They’d probably rather burn it to the ground too
They’d probably rather burn it to the ground too
Posted on 1/18/26 at 6:23 pm to gungho
quote:
Christian Nationalism- Threat or Goal?
I’ll be honest enough to say I’m not educated enough on the subject to even be able to define what a Christian Nationalist is exactly.
I will say this. I was raised Baptist and throughout my life have been a member of a few different churches. Some were Southern Baptist, some Missionary Baptist. About half my family is Catholic and also have a few Methodist in there. I have very close friends that are Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Non Denominational, and even one that is Presbyterian and one that is Jewish. I’m nowhere near an expert on the difference in beliefs between all these different religions but knowing the people as well as I do, I know they are all compatible with our form of government.
I also know quite a few Muslims, mainly thru interaction because of the industry I work in. And I can tell you for sure that the little bit I know about the Muslim religion and just the little bit I know about these people, the are 100% not compatible with our form of government and our society.
I have never professed to be some super high IQ know it all poster. I’m just an average guy, trying to do the best at my job to raise my family. I feel like I’m fairly intelligent with a good amount of common sense,, that just wants to be left alone, spend time with family, spend time in the Lords glorious nature, and watch some Tiger football/baseball. But if I can see this, not sure why everyone in the country can’t.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 7:03 pm to jcaz
quote:
This country was founded by Christian Nationalists. The threat is coming from those who opposed that fact.
Ridiculously untrue. If anything they were escaping Christian Nationalists in the monarchy and Church of England
It really is evidence that the founders were geniuses. They were Christians (Deists of course), and they still thought that it was important to include in the constitution that "congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Posted on 1/18/26 at 7:19 pm to N2cars
quote:… more akin to sharia law in that it seeks to exclude contrary ideology’s.
If anything, Christian Nationalism is
Posted on 1/18/26 at 7:55 pm to icecreamsnowball
quote:
No, it did not have “a lot to do with” that.
Specifically, in what way did the Catholics need to be restrained?
What was the backdrop in Europe during the days of the Founding Fathers and what was going on in Europe at the time?
I swear this board is amateur hour sometimes smh.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 7:58 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:
Aren’t you trans?
Posted on 1/18/26 at 8:15 pm to Jim Rockford
3 downvotes for the actual spoken words of Jesus. Never change, OT.
Posted on 1/18/26 at 9:52 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Go to bed, J. D.
This country was aspirationally founded by people of a Christian ethical worldview and tradition for like minded people, despite being (mostly) not explicitly Christian.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 5:59 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Way to dodge the question. You’ve got nothing.
Posted on 1/19/26 at 9:16 am to TheMollusk
quote:
TheMollusk
Mutilated Lips
Posted on 1/19/26 at 10:32 am to N2cars
quote:That’s not the OP’s premise.
Were the overwhelming majority of people who came here initially Christians or nah?
If the founders as a group were “Christian Nationalists” as we understand that term today, we would not have this:
quote:It’s literally the first two clauses of the First Amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Yes, they were “Christians” in the very broadest sense of the word but not monolithic in their beliefs and wary of any government with the power to regulate faith.
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