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re: Civil war ancestors/family stories
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:38 am to cwil1
Posted on 7/11/24 at 8:38 am to cwil1
Have a 2x great grandfather that was being mustered into the 32nd MS Infantry in the Confederate Army in Corinth right about the same time as the battle of Shiloh. However the 32nd MS did not fight at Shiloh.
Looks like he left Corinth with the rest of the Army and eventually fought in Chickamauga, Chattanooga, and the other battles before and after. Research shows he joined with a brother in law that was killed, probably right beside him, and is buried in some mass grave after the Battle of Stones River. His brigade commander was the great Patrick Cleburne.
He eventually returned and opened a store in Tishomingo County, MS and is listed as being the postmaster of the store. My grandfather was born in time to meet him and told my father about him remembering riding to a mill on a wagon to an area what is now Bay Springs Lake and picking up supplies to sell at the store. Grandpa was 4 and this was not long before my 2x great grandfather died at near 80.
I also have 2 other 3x greats that both rode with Forrest in the Cavalry. One from each side of my grandfather’s family.
One was in Company D of the 3rd Regiment, Tennessee Calvary that joined with Forrest in Memphis. He was with Forrest at Shiloh.. but the cavalry didn’t see much action at Shiloh due to the terrain. Would have been at Fallen Timbers for sure though.
The other joined later in company D, 8th MS Cavalry. This unit was formed in 1864. This is a picture of him.
He is buried about 20 yards from our current family plot and someone.. I don’t know who.. comes by and periodically places a small confederate flag next to his tombstone.
My 3x great grandfathers probably didn’t know each other but fought in the same battles like Brice’s Crossroads.
My mother also has veterans in her family. One.. and probably where my luck was passed down from, was killed in the first battle he was in. I haven’t gotten far on his research other than that. Another one actually fought for the Union and was at Shiloh. Actually haven’t gotten far on him either.
Looks like he left Corinth with the rest of the Army and eventually fought in Chickamauga, Chattanooga, and the other battles before and after. Research shows he joined with a brother in law that was killed, probably right beside him, and is buried in some mass grave after the Battle of Stones River. His brigade commander was the great Patrick Cleburne.
He eventually returned and opened a store in Tishomingo County, MS and is listed as being the postmaster of the store. My grandfather was born in time to meet him and told my father about him remembering riding to a mill on a wagon to an area what is now Bay Springs Lake and picking up supplies to sell at the store. Grandpa was 4 and this was not long before my 2x great grandfather died at near 80.
I also have 2 other 3x greats that both rode with Forrest in the Cavalry. One from each side of my grandfather’s family.
One was in Company D of the 3rd Regiment, Tennessee Calvary that joined with Forrest in Memphis. He was with Forrest at Shiloh.. but the cavalry didn’t see much action at Shiloh due to the terrain. Would have been at Fallen Timbers for sure though.
The other joined later in company D, 8th MS Cavalry. This unit was formed in 1864. This is a picture of him.
He is buried about 20 yards from our current family plot and someone.. I don’t know who.. comes by and periodically places a small confederate flag next to his tombstone.
My 3x great grandfathers probably didn’t know each other but fought in the same battles like Brice’s Crossroads.
My mother also has veterans in her family. One.. and probably where my luck was passed down from, was killed in the first battle he was in. I haven’t gotten far on his research other than that. Another one actually fought for the Union and was at Shiloh. Actually haven’t gotten far on him either.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 1:11 pm
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Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:00 am to cwil1
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You'd be saying the same about the patriots, had England won the war.
I am saying the same thing about them with England losing the war. The fact of the matter is that they were also traitors to their nation...winning or losing doesn't change that.
Did it change the lives of the average person for the better? Not by a lot....they still paid taxes, they still to answer to some government somewhere. Made a helluva difference for a very tiny number of merchants and land owners, not so much for the average person.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:03 am to AwgustaDawg
Did it change the lives of the average person for the better? Not by a lot....they still paid taxes, they still to answer to some government somewhere. Made a helluva difference for a very tiny number of merchants and land owners, not so much for the average person.
LOL
Did it change the lives of the average person for the better? How about no taxation without representation, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom of expression, represenative government, and no more british troops staying at their homes, for free?
How about the bill of rights?
This is one of the most braindead takes ever seen, anywhere.
LOL
Did it change the lives of the average person for the better? How about no taxation without representation, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom of expression, represenative government, and no more british troops staying at their homes, for free?
How about the bill of rights?
This is one of the most braindead takes ever seen, anywhere.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:06 am to cwil1
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Some (like in KY) agreed with slavery. Just not secession to keep it around. Let's not act like everyone in blue was against slavery. If KY had known what it did in 1863. It would have seceded ''officially'' with the rest of the upper south.
It is the most asinine suggestion ever put forth that the war and the Union was anti-Slavery. That lie, taught in every classroom since, is demonstrably just that, a lie, by the actions of the citizens of this nation since. It is insane to suggest that half the nation or even any sizeable segment of the nation was opposed to slavery when it was only a small minority of what were considered fringe zealots who ever put forth the idea that slavery was wrong. The war was fought over property and the people doing the fighting largely had none, just as has been the case with almost all wars always.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:10 am to AwgustaDawg
Now we agree.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:16 am to cwil1
July 20th 1864 my Great Great Grandfather was wounded at the Battle of Peachtree Creek exactly 100 years and 2 days before I was born 1964. He was a 1st Lt. 33rd Mississippi, Amite County. He lost two brothers in the war.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:16 am to cwil1
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Did it change the lives of the average person for the better? How about no taxation without representation, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom of expression, represenative government, and no more british troops staying at their homes, for free?
How about the bill of rights?
This is one of the most braindead takes ever seen, anywhere.
Everything listed was denied the average American then and today my friend....there was not a lot of difference for the average person then or now. I know that this is what is taught in public schools and is the popular sentiment but the reality is that not a lot changed for the average person. A handful of merchants and land owners enjoyed more of the fruits of their labor but for the average person things remained as they always were.
Freedom of expression or speech? Has never existed in the US or Great Britain....the government, king of president, will and has always shut it down when it proved to be a problem for them.
Free press? Again, an illusion....when the press gets to hot for the government or the king either will and has shut it down.
Taxation without representation? Puhlease....only a small child or someone who is being willfully obtuse would make that argument.
Freedom of religion? Doesn't exist today, let alone at the time of the American Revolution. Try to avoid indoctrination in the US or Great Britain....good luck with that.
All illusion my friend....sounds good in writing, reality tells another tale....
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:25 am to AwgustaDawg
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It is the most asinine suggestion ever put forth that the war and the Union was anti-Slavery.
I mean just read Lincoln’s campaign speeches.
He went way out of his way to specify that he was happy to leave slavery alone if it meant preserving the Union.
Now the radical republicans who helped get him elected wanted slavery gone but they knew they couldn’t get someone elected if they said that part out loud.
If Lincoln had dropped the emancipation proclamation in his inaugural address Kentucky, Missouri and Maryland all probably secede immediately and DC is basically behind enemy lines from day one.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 9:31 am to tide06
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I mean just read Lincoln’s campaign speeches.
He went way out of his way to specify that he was happy to leave slavery alone if it meant preserving the Union.
Now the radical republicans who helped get him elected wanted slavery gone but they knew they couldn’t get someone elected if they said that part out loud.
If Lincoln had dropped the emancipation proclamation in his inaugural address Kentucky, Missouri and Maryland all probably secede immediately and DC is basically behind enemy lines from day one.
The idea that the civil war was fought to end slavery is an attempt to whitewash this nations history of racism and bigotry. It suggests that fully half or more of the people of the United States were opposed to the idea of slavery....which is simply a damn lie. The fact that it was about property is far more evil than slavery and ending slavery. The whole property angle is ALL the US has ever been about...money. Pretending otherwise is just silly.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 10:22 am to tide06
For Kentucky. You're 100 percent correct. Hell, they were just about ready to go before Polk ''invaded'' Columbia, KY. Grant was a day away from entering the state first. For Kentucky they got told, the war was about preserving the union (which was good for them, because they felt slavery was better protected under the federal union). When the EP was passed in 1863. Union support evaporated from the ''uncondtional unionists'' in the state. Some Union KY soldiers walked across enemy lines. And joined up with confederate regiments, others deserted. After the war. Union veterans recanted their service to the ''yankee government''. This is why confederate veterans from KY owned the state post-war. Kentucky realized it got ''duped'' to fight for ending it's slave economy. And was pissed.
Never let anyone tell you Kentucky or really any border state but DE. Didn't secede because they felt northern or whatever BS. The issue was political
and economical all the damn way.
Never let anyone tell you Kentucky or really any border state but DE. Didn't secede because they felt northern or whatever BS. The issue was political
and economical all the damn way.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/11/24 at 11:04 am to cypresstiger
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They betrayed their own people by choosing to side with the money and power of people hundreds of miles from the communities they grew up in.
—Maybe they didn’t agree with slavery?
There were many reasons people in the South decided to serve in the Union army. I suspect the main was simply to preserve the union. Freeing the slaves may have appealed to a few, but I doubt it was very many. I would imagine many just didn't want any part in the fight.
Lincoln didn't issue the Emancipation Proclamation until 1863 and feared that if Great Britain entered the war on the Confederate side, it would tip the scales in the Confederate's favor.
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." -- Abraham Lincoln
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:11 pm to cwil1
I have 7 great-great-grandfathers who participated in the Civil War, and 1 great-great-great-grandfather who did also. The other great-great was 49 when the war started and did not participate. I always thought being raised in the South all of my ancestors would of fought for the South. However 6 of the 7 fought for the South and 1 ended up fighting for the North. The one that fought for the North fought for a regiment that was from TN. I found that out when researching my lineage to document SAR lineage. One ended up being captured at Amelia Spring, VA on April 5, 1865 and was sent to Point Lookout, Maryland and paroled from there.
Another was captured at Missonary Ridge, TN and sent to Rock Island, IL in the fall of 1863. He survived the winter of 1864 and volunteered for frontier service prior to the winter of 1865. He is what is called a Galvanized Yankee.
Another was captured at Brentwood, TN and sent to Camp Chase, OH. His best friend was also captured and ended up dying at Camp Chase from the measles. He walked back to Butler County, AL after being paroled and took a letter to his best friends widow. She ended up being my great-great-grandmother.
Another was captured at Missonary Ridge, TN and sent to Rock Island, IL in the fall of 1863. He survived the winter of 1864 and volunteered for frontier service prior to the winter of 1865. He is what is called a Galvanized Yankee.
Another was captured at Brentwood, TN and sent to Camp Chase, OH. His best friend was also captured and ended up dying at Camp Chase from the measles. He walked back to Butler County, AL after being paroled and took a letter to his best friends widow. She ended up being my great-great-grandmother.
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 12:37 pm to SpotCheckBilly
Sorry for disrupting the discussion, but I remembered a few stories I have heard passed down from generation to generation.
My g-g-g-grandfather (father to the brothers in my 1st paragraph of my earlier post) was one of the pioneer settlers of Cobb County, moving there from Clarke County after the Cherokee land lottery. His house still stands today, all because he was a Mason. After the failed assault at Kennesaw Mountain, Sherman started his flanking maneuvers again, dislodging Johnson from the Kennesaw defenses and pushing him back closer to the Chattahoochee River. One of the fights, on July 4th, came to be called the Battle of Ruff's Mill. After the Confederates were pushed back again, the Federal troops set the grist mill and a nearby woolen mill ablaze and started ransacking/burning houses in the area. My ggg-grandfather's house was being ransacked, and the torches had already been thrown under the porch, when his Masonic apron was found. The commander of the Federal troops was a Mason and had decreed that he would not allow a fellow Mason's house to be destroyed, so he made the soldiers crawl up under the house and pull the torches out and extinguish the blaze. The house has been through many renovations, but burned timbers are still visible in the basement crawlspace.
Although the house was saved, most of the outbuilding were destroyed. Apparently they had to resort to digging up dirt from the floor of the old smokehouse, adding creek water to make a very thin mud, and then boil that to extract the salt that had gotten into the earth from the process of curing meats over the years.
My g-g-g-grandmother (mother to the other g-g-grandfather I wrote about) is alleged to have said the Civil War freed not slaves alone, but also the Southern woman. She became freed from nursing sick slaves, delivering babies, teaching them to cook, sew, etc.
My g-g-g-grandfather (father to the brothers in my 1st paragraph of my earlier post) was one of the pioneer settlers of Cobb County, moving there from Clarke County after the Cherokee land lottery. His house still stands today, all because he was a Mason. After the failed assault at Kennesaw Mountain, Sherman started his flanking maneuvers again, dislodging Johnson from the Kennesaw defenses and pushing him back closer to the Chattahoochee River. One of the fights, on July 4th, came to be called the Battle of Ruff's Mill. After the Confederates were pushed back again, the Federal troops set the grist mill and a nearby woolen mill ablaze and started ransacking/burning houses in the area. My ggg-grandfather's house was being ransacked, and the torches had already been thrown under the porch, when his Masonic apron was found. The commander of the Federal troops was a Mason and had decreed that he would not allow a fellow Mason's house to be destroyed, so he made the soldiers crawl up under the house and pull the torches out and extinguish the blaze. The house has been through many renovations, but burned timbers are still visible in the basement crawlspace.
Although the house was saved, most of the outbuilding were destroyed. Apparently they had to resort to digging up dirt from the floor of the old smokehouse, adding creek water to make a very thin mud, and then boil that to extract the salt that had gotten into the earth from the process of curing meats over the years.
My g-g-g-grandmother (mother to the other g-g-grandfather I wrote about) is alleged to have said the Civil War freed not slaves alone, but also the Southern woman. She became freed from nursing sick slaves, delivering babies, teaching them to cook, sew, etc.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 3:23 pm to PJinAtl
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from Clarke County after the Cherokee land lottery. His house still stands today, all because he was a Mason
I think I know this house. Does it happen to be located near a covered bridge? If so, my parents used to live near there and would pass it often.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 4:04 pm to cwil1
My great great grandfather was a colonel in the confederate army.
Picture below is from 1910 confederate soldiers reunion in southern Oklahoma.
TD was my grandmother’s grandad.
He’s on the top far right in his uniform, which he is also buried in
Picture below is from 1910 confederate soldiers reunion in southern Oklahoma.
TD was my grandmother’s grandad.
He’s on the top far right in his uniform, which he is also buried in
This post was edited on 7/11/24 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:41 pm to cwil1
Great Grandfather, mothers side, was a “Yankee”, 6th Ohio Calvary. Mustered in in 1861 as a private, mustered out 1865 as a Sargent. Was a farmer. Some years after the war he settled in south Louisiana, why we don’t know, though there is an unverified story of him accidentally drowning the family mules in a river when he went to water them so he got the hell out of Dodge. lol.
He married and started a family in S LA at a late age, my grandfather was born in 1896, when his father was 48. Great Grandfather, John Frank Smith, died in 1917 of influenza - maybe an early casualty of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic?
Now the family story - after his death my grandfather, on behalf of his mother, went to apply for civil war veteran benefits (they existed even back then) and they learned the benefits had already been claimed. Apparently, great granddad had family, wife & children, back in Ohio that no one knew about - whether they divorced or not, no one knows. Anyway my grandfather was bitter about this, and when he married and had children, and my mother & siblings would ask about the grandfather they never knew, he would share very little information - he just didn’t want to talk about his father.
But we do have great grandfather’s military records, the campaigns-battles his regiment fought in. Also sick leave records - he was in Washington D.C. in the hospital from sickness at times, not battle wounds as far as we know, and Washington D.C. was called Washington City back then - that’s what is written on the military sick leave records.
He married and started a family in S LA at a late age, my grandfather was born in 1896, when his father was 48. Great Grandfather, John Frank Smith, died in 1917 of influenza - maybe an early casualty of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic?
Now the family story - after his death my grandfather, on behalf of his mother, went to apply for civil war veteran benefits (they existed even back then) and they learned the benefits had already been claimed. Apparently, great granddad had family, wife & children, back in Ohio that no one knew about - whether they divorced or not, no one knows. Anyway my grandfather was bitter about this, and when he married and had children, and my mother & siblings would ask about the grandfather they never knew, he would share very little information - he just didn’t want to talk about his father.
But we do have great grandfather’s military records, the campaigns-battles his regiment fought in. Also sick leave records - he was in Washington D.C. in the hospital from sickness at times, not battle wounds as far as we know, and Washington D.C. was called Washington City back then - that’s what is written on the military sick leave records.
Posted on 7/11/24 at 5:57 pm to Johnny Roastbeef
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I think I know this house. Does it happen to be located near a covered bridge?
That's it. On Concord Road just up from the covered bridge. My g-g-grandfather, g-g-g-grandfather, and several of their family members are buried in the old cemetery located in between the house and bridge.
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