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re: Dock workers at ports get a 62% pay increase
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:46 am to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:46 am to mmmmmbeeer
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but to be an average Joe
Most average Joes still compete with market wages.
Youre in over your head.
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:46 am to theronswanson
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So dock workers are so essential to the economy that if they don’t work it will shut down the US but not essential enough to deserve a large pay increase?
When their multi-millionaire boss screams about "rich" owners, the hypocrisy is lost on them. However, when they say they are ok with hurting Americans -especially in the light of the hurricane disaster - for the "betterment" of their jobs, then there is nothing left to be said. frick them. All for automation.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:47 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Whole lotta jealousy in this thread.
Y'all wanna get rid of unions because you aren't the ones who just got a 60% pay increase guaranteed over the course of the next 6 years. Oh, the horror! Everyday Joes understanding their power as workers and winning a deal for better pay...horrible.
Unions aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination but to be an average Joe and bitch about other average Joes winning a sizeable wage increase is beyond me. I guess I'm just not that petty when others succeed.
You're right, we should appreciate unions literally arguing against automation, thereby increasing costs and decreasing efficiencies.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:48 am to Spaceman Spiff
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All for automation.
It progress.
The union baws are arguing for horse and buggy days. frick em. We've advanced.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:49 am to Jcorye1
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You're right, we should appreciate unions literally arguing against automation, thereby increasing costs and decreasing efficiencies.
The irony of this is the guy you responded to considers himself a "progressive" yet balks at actual progress.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:49 am to Jcorye1
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You're right, we should appreciate unions literally arguing against automation, thereby increasing costs and decreasing efficiencies.
Damn near every global shipping company serving these ports are foreign entities. I don't give a frick about their efficiencies or profits.
Think of it as a tariff. Y'all are big fans of those, eh?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:50 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Damn near every global shipping company serving these ports are foreign entities.
Its the consumer who pays.
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Think of it as a tariff. Y'all are big fans of those, eh?
frick no.
Its crony capitalism.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:51 am to jbgleason
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This class warfare...
The comparison of salaries is always a spurious argument from either side.
The legitimate argument re C-suite denizens comp is if the increase in average comp over time is reasonable.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The irony of this is the guy you responded to considers himself a "progressive" yet balks at actual progress.
You know I'm not a progressive. I'm just someone who disagrees with you on many issues. That's what Americans do...we aren't uniformed zombies living in a large echo chamber, fortunately. Exchanging ideas is how progress is made. I'm not 100% right. You're not 100% right. The answers are always somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:52 am to mmmmmbeeer
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The answers are always somewhere in the middle.
Youre fighting progress.
Automation is inevitable and its the ONLY thing going for us to where we can compete with labor abroad.
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You know I'm not a progressive.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:53 am to mmmmmbeeer
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mmmmmbeeer
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You know I'm not a progressive
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:53 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Think of it as a tariff.
You are big fan of making ignorant comments, eh?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:53 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Damn near every global shipping company serving these ports are foreign entities. I don't give a frick about their efficiencies or profits.
that is just such a myopic and dog shite argument. Yes, I'm for artificially increased product prices because we refuse to allow innovation, and no I don't care because it's a foreign owned business doing it. Tariffs have their place, but acting like this is a tariff purely because this union refuses automation is comical at best.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:53 am to jcole4lsu
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Look at C Suite that get paid 200X the average worker at the company.
Then why don't unions bargain for pay that is tied to C suite execs in total compensation (not just salary)?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:55 am to theronswanson
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So dock workers are so essential to the economy that if they don’t work it will shut down the US but not essential enough to deserve a large pay increase?
Pretty sure the strike was really about them not wanting to let automation to take over their jobs.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:55 am to el Gaucho
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We can make everything here we don’t need imports
I realize most of what you say is bullshite but i agree. At least we can make more here than we do. A lot of the stuff on those boats is probably bullshite from TEMU anyway. One reason these dockers are so powerful is our over dependence on foreign made stuff.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Automation is inevitable and its the ONLY thing going for us to where we can compete with labor abroad.
These are American ports serving foreign businesses using American labor. We don't need to compete with labor abroad in this case.
The wage gains are commensurate to the corporate growth. Again, this sure reeks of jealousy more than "durr durr free market!".
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:56 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Whole lotta jealousy in this thread.
You got it backward, dipshit.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:56 am to FLObserver
If a machine is available that can do a job more efficiently and more accurately than a human, in most cases it should. Especially if it's remotely dangerous and the economy of a country depends upon it.
I hope after the six years is up, the shippers are immediately prepared with a wave of replacements and are unboxing the new automation as the union kicks rocks on the way out.
I hope after the six years is up, the shippers are immediately prepared with a wave of replacements and are unboxing the new automation as the union kicks rocks on the way out.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 8:58 am to FLObserver
Now let's talk about resulting price increases.
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