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Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:12 pm to MC5601
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My first thought was that this is ridiculous but after some consideration I've changed my opinion. While I think that it's pathetic that these kids can't maintain a 2.0 in high school, I agree with the decision. The more kids we have playing sports and participating in clubs, the less crime we have around the city. Being around positive influences after class instead of standing around on a street corner is a positive for everybody.
Then you accept that public high schools are now government daycare centers instead of educational institutions.
If you viewed them as educational institutions then you would see that this decision takes time away from education from those who need it most (the students with low GPAs).
Students with less than a 2.0 need tutoring, not play time on the field or court.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:20 pm to MikeBRLA
This is a great example of "people that don't get it, don't get that they don't get it"
While most of us (white, college educated) posters believe a 2.0 is easy to maintain in reality for many students in EBR it may not be. Anyone on here who is a teacher or coach knows the struggles they fight with students on an every day basis. Giving some of these students the oppotunity to play sports can only help them in the long run. If its done right grades could go up by being involved in athletics. I know the where i coach our team gpa was a 2.9. Thats pretty good. And we have kids who were around the 1.5-1.75 who are now over at 2.0 because we have study halls ect. Don't come in bash the school system for trying to help kids when you haven't walked those halls, seen where these kids live, or gone out of your way to help them. Get kids involved, anyway possible, it can only help.
Oh and st michael, catholic high, parkview all require 1.5 as well. And you better believe they got some dudes playing with 1.5s.
While most of us (white, college educated) posters believe a 2.0 is easy to maintain in reality for many students in EBR it may not be. Anyone on here who is a teacher or coach knows the struggles they fight with students on an every day basis. Giving some of these students the oppotunity to play sports can only help them in the long run. If its done right grades could go up by being involved in athletics. I know the where i coach our team gpa was a 2.9. Thats pretty good. And we have kids who were around the 1.5-1.75 who are now over at 2.0 because we have study halls ect. Don't come in bash the school system for trying to help kids when you haven't walked those halls, seen where these kids live, or gone out of your way to help them. Get kids involved, anyway possible, it can only help.
Oh and st michael, catholic high, parkview all require 1.5 as well. And you better believe they got some dudes playing with 1.5s.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:27 pm to JMFG
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we have kids who were around the 1.5-1.75 who are now over at 2.0 because we have study halls ect.
You just proved my point and actually agreed with what I said without even realizing it. That is the exact thing I said low GPA students need (tutoring/study hall).
Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:31 pm to MikeBRLA
They need study hall but until you deal with some kids you don't realize what all they lack. Letting them be on a team helps them become accountable and can help academically. If you just expect a bunch of below 2.0 students to wanna goto study hall that ain't happening. Providing them some motivation and team setting that help build character helps
Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:34 pm to JMFG
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Don't come in bash the school system for trying to help kids when you haven't walked those halls, seen where these kids live, or gone out of your way to help them.
You shouldn't assume such things when you don't have a clue who I am. Get off your high horse coach. Why don't you stick to the subject and quit making statements as fact that you know nothing about. You have no clue which halls I've walked. You are simply talking out of your arse.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 2:37 pm to MikeBRLA
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You shouldn't assume such things when you don't have a clue who I am. Get off your high horse coach. Why don't you stick to the subject and quit making statements as fact that you know nothing about. You have no clue which halls I've walked. You are simply talking out of your arse.
I wasn't referring to you but to the average post in this thread who is totally uninformed. I am not on a high horse. I am stating that they need to do what is best for those kids and being able to participate in something is most likely best for them
Posted on 8/8/15 at 3:01 pm to JMFG
Our school is a 3.0 for athletics school. It encourages kids to work hard for the privilege to play.
Education will get them farther in the long run.
1.5 is encouraging slacking and half arse studying.
Education will get them farther in the long run.
1.5 is encouraging slacking and half arse studying.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 3:24 pm to MikeBRLA
The unfortunate point is that some of these students are academic lost causes but at least some positive impact can be made on them through sports or activities. While they may never succeed in mentally intensive jobs, athletics teaches work ethic that is highly applicable to manual labor and factory jobs and also serves to keep kids off the streets.
Posted on 8/8/15 at 3:50 pm to King George
May have been mentioned but I don't have time to read through all the BS from people who think they know everything about education because they have a high school diploma themselves.
The LHSAA recommends a 1.5 and 95% (roughly) of the districts in Louisiana adhere to this policy. Yes, it is a C average because a C runs from a 1.5 to a 2.5 therefore the lowest you can have is a 1.5
EBR had the 1.5 standard in the past but raised it. Clearly, it didn't help matters in the least.
These kids can't drop out until they are 18. Why not give them a reason to stick it out. You would not believe the amount of kids who come to school and at least try because they want to play their sport/s. This just keeps a huge chunk of kids who are at high risk of dropping out from doing so at the last second.
If you think those kids are going to turn around their grades just because they need a 2.5 or whatever to play, you are kidding yourselves. We all have this fantasy that kids have low grades just because they don't try. Some of them have been behind FOR YEARS. They are doing all they can to pass at this point while reading on a 5th grade level. Give them something to succeed in and work for, what is it going to hurt?
I can almost promise you that we will see an increase in grad rates because of a decrease in drop out rates. The longer they are in school they more they learn and their tests scores go up.
The LHSAA recommends a 1.5 and 95% (roughly) of the districts in Louisiana adhere to this policy. Yes, it is a C average because a C runs from a 1.5 to a 2.5 therefore the lowest you can have is a 1.5
EBR had the 1.5 standard in the past but raised it. Clearly, it didn't help matters in the least.
These kids can't drop out until they are 18. Why not give them a reason to stick it out. You would not believe the amount of kids who come to school and at least try because they want to play their sport/s. This just keeps a huge chunk of kids who are at high risk of dropping out from doing so at the last second.
If you think those kids are going to turn around their grades just because they need a 2.5 or whatever to play, you are kidding yourselves. We all have this fantasy that kids have low grades just because they don't try. Some of them have been behind FOR YEARS. They are doing all they can to pass at this point while reading on a 5th grade level. Give them something to succeed in and work for, what is it going to hurt?
I can almost promise you that we will see an increase in grad rates because of a decrease in drop out rates. The longer they are in school they more they learn and their tests scores go up.
This post was edited on 8/8/15 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/8/15 at 5:07 pm to Shexter
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Looks like EBR Schools are focused on babysitting.
The reason behind most decisions in a Louisiana School System revolves around the State's accountability scores.
If a student drops out the State awards the school a zero for that student in the State's accountability scores. If the student stays in school and does poorly, like a score of fifty, it is still better in the eyes of the State's accountability assessment.
You can't blame school districts for doing what the State encourages them to do.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 9:19 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:No it isn't. Step out of your world for a second.
1.5 is encouraging slacking and half arse studying.
Some kids are dim, and that won't change.
Some dim kids have shitty teachers who won't get better.
Only so much money can be thrown at the problem, and it hasn't worked.
What do you want these kids to be doing from 3 to 6? Do you want them at school playing sports and being coached, or do you want to turn them loose at 3 and let them find something to do?
Posted on 8/9/15 at 9:27 am to ballscaster
I get your reasoning, I do.
but it feels like giving up.
Agree. but athletics isn't the only option. McKinley High has three separate routes to graduation. One traditional diploma and two trade certifications. THIS is the route we need to take...ensuring JOBS and a future for these kids.
Saying screw it, you can play football with a 1.5 is not motivation.
They aren't animals. They can be reached and reasoned with.
I guess the bottom line is still one that is unfixable....but this 1.5 stuff seems like a step in the wrong direction.
but it feels like giving up.
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Some kids are dim, and that won't change.
Agree. but athletics isn't the only option. McKinley High has three separate routes to graduation. One traditional diploma and two trade certifications. THIS is the route we need to take...ensuring JOBS and a future for these kids.
Saying screw it, you can play football with a 1.5 is not motivation.
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What do you want these kids to be doing from 3 to 6? Do you want them at school playing sports and being coached, or do you want to turn them loose at 3 and let them find something to do?
They aren't animals. They can be reached and reasoned with.
I guess the bottom line is still one that is unfixable....but this 1.5 stuff seems like a step in the wrong direction.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 9:34 am to Signal Soldier
Just more evidence of why there was a movement to create the city of St. George. Rewarding students for less effort in the classroom is a sure way to improve the education outcomes for the district as a whole. Lowering standards has such a great track record for success that maybe we should lower them even further to say kids can play if they can breathe and show up for practice. Why make them take classes at all?
Posted on 8/9/15 at 9:37 am to Sir Drinksalot
quote:Then I nominate you to reach and reason with them.
They can be reached and reasoned with
Posted on 8/9/15 at 9:40 am to ballscaster
I do it August through May 
Posted on 8/9/15 at 11:39 am to Poodlebrain
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Just more evidence of why there was a movement to create the city of St. George.
And would you have been angry when St George made the GPA a 1.5 just like Central, Livingston, Zachary and Ascension
Posted on 8/9/15 at 6:08 pm to JMFG
quote:Yes. Extracurricular activities should be used as a reward for satisfactory classroom performance. I wouldn't object to cancelling extracurricular activities if a school can't maintain minimum acceptable LEAP scores. Let the students classroom performance earn or lose the collective right to participate in extracurricular activities.
And would you have been angry when St George made the GPA a 1.5 just like Central, Livingston, Zachary and Ascension
Posted on 8/9/15 at 6:30 pm to Signal Soldier
Obviously Id rather a kid be involved in a school activity than not, however this is typical move by those in charge to lower standards so Tyrone and Quiashia can play ball.
Yes I'll say it. Black kids will get the biggest benefit out of this.
Congrats EBR Parrish, you just made it easier on under academically achieving students to play ball.
What sucks for them though is in a couple short years away, they'll enter what the rest of us live in.
It's called the real world.
In this real life place, you get what you get.
Yes I'll say it. Black kids will get the biggest benefit out of this.
Congrats EBR Parrish, you just made it easier on under academically achieving students to play ball.
What sucks for them though is in a couple short years away, they'll enter what the rest of us live in.
It's called the real world.
In this real life place, you get what you get.
Posted on 8/9/15 at 6:32 pm to Signal Soldier
leave control of education to the locals!
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